Putting faith in its place

[tarpolano]

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why hide your belief? anyways this thread is not about you.. it's about putting the religious faith to its rightful place

[Malic]

why hide your belief? anyways this thread is not about you.. it's about putting the religious faith to its rightful place

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[Existanz]

Thanks Tarps..please bear with me.

Thanks for you input Existanz... for me.. I have no qualms with people who live happily by believing on their imaginary friend although it may seem kinda strange and we have a term for that it's schizophrenia... you might want to check on that and it's curable..

Schizophrenia is any of several psychotic disorders characterized by distortions of reality and disturbances of thought and language and withdrawal from social contact...hmm I never heard of religious folks withdraws from social contact- quite the opposite you know.

the thing that ticks me off is when people try to influence my way of life and thinking just because what this so called imaginary friend said. Like what's happening right now on the boards..

Tarps arguments are part of people's lives...the difference is intensity. Reactions and counter-reactions, that's how the universe works. Even within our own mind we seems to argue with our self...quite amazing.

I notice that people are bickering over what the bible has writtten by a supposedly imanigary friend, each party has it's own translation and one condemning the other.. like I think.. wtf people you are arguing, insulting, fighting over "nothing", both parties would defend because of their religious faith.. LOL.. that's where this video comes in.. this video explains what religious faith really is.. it has no evidence.. it has no logic.. and not enough reason to go gaga over it..

Faith requires no evidence, ti's true..it's how one look at his existence that makes him decide what value he will put in it. Reason simply is a consoling thought that what I come to believe is grounded (apparently).

Our belief can not be amounted to nothing, we build our lives on it. That is why it is a personal thing for everyone; Me my God and in your case, Logic...if it seems to get hot when people starts demolishing each others belief it's because in doing so they are really in the process of reducing each other's existence. A very Darwinian process..

Can we find meaningful life without being illogical?

[ashcries]

nice nga video. nakapakutaw sa akong utok.

naa lang koi comment sa uban participants ani nga thread bah: pasikatay ra kaayo. tsk tsk.

but i forgive these people though. they take their beliefs seriously so hat's off to that. but we should always be reminded nga once natarong na nato ug share kung unsa ato nahibaw-an about Him but dili gehapon mu-agree ang ato gipangstoryaan, let them be. let's respect each others' gift of FREE WILL.

[tarpolano]

Schizophrenia is any of several psychotic disorders characterized by distortions of reality and disturbances of thought and language and withdrawal from social contact...hmm I never heard of religious folks withdraws from social contact- quite the opposite you know.

quite true.. i might have gone overboard with schizophrenia.. perhaps schizotypal would be much appropriate

Tarps arguments are part of people's lives...the difference is intensity. Reactions and counter-reactions, that's how the universe works. Even within our own mind we seems to argue with our self...quite amazing.

Faith requires no evidence, ti's true..it's how one look at his existence that makes him decide what value he will put in it. Reason simply is a consoling thought that what I come to believe is grounded (apparently).

Our belief can not be amounted to nothing, we build our lives on it. That is why it is a personal thing for everyone; Me my God and in your case, Logic...if it seems to get hot when people starts demolishing each others belief it's because in doing so they are really in the process of reducing each other's existence. A very Darwinian process..

I beg to differ though reducing each other's existence is not a Darwinian process.. the other points you mentioned are quite true..

Can we find meaningful life without being illogical?[/QUOTE]

The meaning of life can only be found within yourself and logic for me is a necessary tool to find it.

[Tirong-say]

Thanks for the input... I can see your point and it is an ideal one.. but alas it is not what we see in the real world.. look at this forum for example.. u can see the bickering, the infighting, one religion says that theirs is the way and other one would disagree saying that theirs is the way... all these hatred and bigotry stems from their own brand of unquestioning faith... they would meddle with the lives of others because they have faith.. and that's very ironic.. I guess you are one of those few believers that has put faith on its place.. my hats off to you sir

Thanks a lot Bro,
this is quite a remarkable comment of a wise and just person

[handsoff241]

I think we have reached a common ground here that faith is illogical.. it is illogical for me because it simply fails logic tests and as per your definition it's "illogical in nature" and that is that I have no qualms with it. Now why use logic? It does not show the reason why the video used logic but for me.. why not use logic? From time immemorial logic has been used to explain discovery may it be in a philosophical standpoint or in scientific. Even to our day-to-day activities we use logic to seemingly make order of our daily lives. Doesn't it follow that believing on some deity needs logic also? as well as irrefutable evidence? if it's not logical? then why believe on such?

Sir, philosophy and science themselves revolves around logic, they cannot and will not be classified as part of those faculties if they do not satisfy logic in the first place.

Again, you do not need to use logic to prove a deity that exists, by nature and with respect to how it is started, in a very illogical manner and state.

if it's not logical? then why believe on such?

That is why you call it "FAITH" on the first place, it is illogical in the first place and only exist(needs further explanation) if you believe.

[tarpolano]

Sir, philosophy and science themselves revolves around logic, they cannot and will not be classified as part of those faculties if they do not satisfy logic in the first place.

Again, you do not need to use logic to prove a deity that exists, by nature and with respect to how it is started, in a very illogical manner and state.
That is why you call it "FAITH" on the first place, it is illogical in the first place and only exist(needs further explanation) if you believe.

yes, and that is why we should put religious faith to its rightful place.. it's a belief that has no logic, no evidence, and as you said can only exist if believed upon. And as what the video's message main point is, what matters most is how we treat each other.

[Malic]

yes, and that is why we should put religious faith to its rightful place.. it's a belief that has no logic, no evidence, and as you said can only exist if believed upon. And as what the video's message main point is, what matters most is how we treat each other.

I agree. my own interpretation...pick your myth and live at peace with others.

[handsoff241]

@malic and tarps indeed...

@tarpolano, but sir, what you are doing right now, this "logic vigilance" campaign, don't you notice that you are starting to sound like those fundies you despise?