MERGED: CHINA: Next Superpower?

[Soul Doctor]

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China would never value its relations with the Phil.
This is why they hanged our OFW convicted of drug trafficking,
even if our politicians tried to appeal for a lesser punishment.

Im not saying Im very sure of these things. It maybe a good topic for discussion.
All Im saying is there is a good possibility that China will do to Philippines
what British did to Hongkong.

[Soul Doctor]

NPA? you mean China ang nagpaluyo? so sila diay ang nag himo sa idea sa communism? where did you get your info? that is a very creative thinking you have. i guess you really like consiracies too much. The NPA is around because of our goverment's lack of leadership & failure. Don't blame it to the chinese bai. mas dako og interest ang Malasya sa ato, so to add sa imo mga conpiracy theory, maybe malaysia ang nagpaluyo.
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the communist party founded by Jose Maria Sison subscribes with the Maoism ideology of communism.
Yes there are enequities in our land that was being exploited by Jose Maria Sison, who grew up listening to barbers stories of hukbalahap revolutionaries. Unsa diay nang mga NPA sa Luzon? Kinsay gasupport nila financially? Jose Maria Sison Has his own secret connections and I would easily suspect he got his funds from China. Unsa man diay laing communist country karon sa kalibutan. Wala na man ang russia.

[likyam]

hai finally, naa na dyuy fellow istoryans who understood my fear of China. mahulog tingai na pamasin ang kahadlok pero kabalo mo other fellow istoryans, lisod sad baya ug mahitabo dyud.

[noy.juan]

Mao ni gitawag og Art of War.
Actually dugay rang gaplano ang China moinvade sa Phil.
In art of war you have to win the war first before you declare war.

do you have solid proof other than circumstantial evidence which is not related anymore (some before but not anymore)?

Ask yourself:

i did and it tells me something about you that its better to keep to my self...

1.)Nganung naa man tay communist party of the Phils?
Muslim fundamentalist ba diay ga support nila.
Kinsa may communist? China di ba?
Kining mga rebelde, activist nga nagsigeg pasopaso sa treets, kinsa may nagsupport nila financially?
dili man ni muslim or arabs. communists ni sila.

err... did some one ever tell you they stop exporting revolution?, officially and un-officially... or maybe you just dont know nga naay mga stupid filipinos (aka commie-activists) nga ni adto china kay pa assylum sila, they even hijack a plane... but china did accepted them but after couple of years they are return-to-sender.... because like i said they dont export revolution anymore... the policy of exporting marxism ended on 1978, USSR did tried (refer to Berlin Wall and Cold War)

when Deng Xiaoping assumed leadership, the chinesed govt focused economic development and trade...

the chinese tried to export their weapons (reversed enginered M14 probably Norc), they made two attempts all ended in failure, both of this are headed by then Victor Corpus and Kumander Dante

to make it short try reading this guys posts para atleast malamdagan ka

Polytech Mags from CDNN Investments - Any good? - M14 Forum check the posts of this guy "Different"

also you check on timawa.net, they have discussions about involvement of chinese in NPA...

How NPA guerrillas lost China's support

and also this one

74 Infantry Battalion

2.) Nganung target man sa mga communist party or leftist group ang america.?
Tungod kay ang america maoy potential motabang nato kung ugaling gubaton ta sa china.
Mao nga ilang palaguton ang mga tawo sa U.S. aron makontra na nato ang U.S. ug mawad-an ta og ally.
Para sayon na dayon ta nila attakehon.

everyone is targeting amerikans... yes we do have mutual agreement that US are "OBLIGED" (sakto ba ang spelling?) to help us when we are invaded... again CPP/NPA have losts china's support many moons ago...

3.)Kinsay nagsigeg strike sa atong mga dagko nga industries ug companiya,
using the labor unions and other leftist labor groups.
Nganung gibuhat ni nila.
Dili ni aron i-improve ang atong industries.
Hinayhinayan niyag cripple ang atong industries aron daghan mawad-an og trabaho aron makuhaan ang salig sa mga tawo sa atong gobyerno unya modawat na dayon ta sa ilang i-offer nga communism sa China as the better alternative.

again stop connecting communisn in the philippines to china because there are no such thing as connection... it ended many moons ago... jeezzz!!! *face palm*

kanang mga labor groups most of them are their to check-and-balance our society some of they maybe associated with CPP/NPA...

4.)Nganung gibahaan man atong nasod sa mga barato nga china made products?
aron maguba ang atong economia. Maguba ang atong local industries.
Again mas pobre ang nasod mas sayon atakehon kay dili man sila kapalit og mga weapons or airplanes and missiles and jet bombers. ang china naa na silay nuclear missile giandam para sa pilipinas inkaso modecide na silag gubat nato. America na lang ug United Nations ilang problema.
Pero sayon ra nila ingnon nga giilog sa pilipinas ang ilang teritoryo sa Sabah.
Adto ta nila biklon.

aaaaaaaaaa grabe.... export tawn na dong... so dont tell me if bahaan ang US sa atong gipang export meaning may plano ta mo atake.... ug ngano naapil man tawn ang sabah if malyasia man ang naay issue ana

5.) Asa gikan ang drugs diri sa pilipinas,?
ug nganung suko kaayo sila nga nabalik sa China ang mga drugs gikan diri.?
tungod kay ang drugs gikan sa china gihimo para sa filipino.
mao kini gamiton aron pagweaken sa atong military reservist.
pareho sa gihimo sa mga English ngadto sa hongkong,
nga gihimo una nilang adik sa opium ang mga tawo aron sayon sakopon.
kung daghan nag adik diri, mas daghan ang pobre, mas daghan way trabaho,
mas luya ang mga kalalakihan mas dali sakopon kung sugdan og gubat.

* HUGE FACE PALM *

you dare to cite art of war without understanding the evidence you presented....



however nalingaw ko sa imo posts kinda remid of a stupid person from our forum who insisted that another member's real M4 is justs airsoft because of anti-rotation lock (btw ang tag-iya sa pusil naa sa usa sa show sa RCTV nga on-sight ma galing to)... what a fail... but it succeeded to make us laugh till we drop because of his stupidty...

[|ceman]

China says will not threaten anyone with modern military

By Kevin Lim | Reuters – 10 hours ago
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China's Minister of National Defense General Liang Guanglie speaks at a joint news …
SINGAPORE (Reuters) - China's defence minister sought to reassure Asia Pacific neighbours on Sunday that his country's growing economic and military power was not a threat, as long-running maritime disputes in the region flare up again.
General Liang Guanglie told the annual Shangri-La security conference in Singapore that the modernisation of the People's Liberation Army was in line with the country's economic growth and to meet its security requirements.
"We do not intend to threaten any country with the modernisation of our military force. I know many people tend to believe that with the wealth of China's economy, China will be a military threat," he said, speaking dressed in full military uniform.
"I would like to say that it is not our option. We didn't seek to, we are not seeking to and we will not seek hegemony and we will not threaten any country."
China will beef up its military budget by 12.7 percent this year, the government announced in March, a return to double-digit spending increases that stirred unease in the region as well as in the United States which has long had a strong presence in the Asia-Pacific region.
China's growing military influence has coincided with a more assertive diplomatic tone, evident in rows with Japan and Southeast Asia over disputed islands, and in rows with Washington over trade, the yuan currency and this week over cyber-security after Google said email accounts had been hacked in an attack that appeared to originate from China.
But Liang said the situation in the South China Sea where a territorial dispute with Vietnam and the Philippines heated up last month was now stable.
"China is committed to maintaining peace and stability in the South China sea," he said adding it stood by a 2002 code of conduct signed with members of the Association of South East Asian Nations to resolve peacefully the rival claims over the resource-rich region.
SOUTH CHINA SEA TENSION
Both Vietnam and the Philippines have complained about Chinese activity and even harassment in the contested South China Sea over the past week or so.
China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all claim territories in the sea, which covers an important shipping route and is thought to hold untapped oil and gas reserves.
China's claim is by far the largest, forming a vast U-shape over most of the sea's 648,000 square miles (1.7 million square km), including the Spratly and Paracel archipelagos.
The Philippines said this week that Chinese naval ships and a surveillance vessel placed a buoy and posts near a bank in the part of the South China sea that Manila claims as its territory. The incident happened last month while Liang himself was in Manila on an official tour.
Tension also increased with Vietnam last month after Hanoi said a Vietnamese oil and gas exploration ship had its surveying cables cut by Chinese boats.
A Vietnamese government minister said on Sunday while the land borders had been settled with China, the dispute over the seas remained.
"The land border area has become an area of peace and cooperation for both countries, but it's a different story with the South China Sea," Nguyen Chi Vinh, deputy defense minister, told reporters on the sidelines of the conference.
In a rare public protest in Vietnam, up to 300 people shouting "Down with China" marched to the Chinese embassy in the capital, Hanoi, to protest against what they saw as China's violations of Vietnam's sovereignty in the sea.
Images posted online showed about 1,000 people marching in what appeared to be a similar protest in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam's commercial hub.
The modernisation of China's navy in particular has raised concern in the region. Beijing is upgrading its destroyers and frigates to sail further and strike harder.
China could launch its first aircraft carrier this year, according to Chinese military and political sources, a year earlier than U.S. military analysts had expected, underscoring its growing maritime power and assertiveness.
Liang did not touch on the naval modernisation, but said the army and the air force remained years behind several of those in the developed world, including those of the United States.
"Our army and air force have mainly second-generation weapons. We do not have a large arsenal of third generation weapons or systems while others are entering a fourth generation. So there is a generational gap."
(Additional reporting by Charmian Kok and John Ruwitch in Hanoi; Writing by Sanjeev Miglani; Editing by Robert Birsel)

[|ceman]

just saw this in yahoo forums, we share the same sentiment so i'll quote and quote

What can you expect from a weakling, corrupt, lame and incompetent country like the Philippines who can't even handle it's own Prisoners like Leviste & Ampatuans? A country na kahit nga isang hostage lang pumalpak pa at napahiya sa buong mundo at nagmukhang tanga at mga bobo na walang silbe. How much more when it comes with dealing the Spraltlys? A country composed of citizens who can't even figure out to vote the right leaders, can easily be fooled by politicians and has been deteriorating year after year after year. There's nothing to expect but to be bullied and maybe luluhod at magmamaka-awa sa ibang bansa para maka kuha ng Tulong. Many of our fellow Filipinos are still in denial and full of apathy that our country is a mess, incompetent and heading downhill. There are some good things in our country too but the way we manage and we entrusted this country to the so called public servants is a disappointment. We can't only blame the corrupt and the media controlled by oligarchy but we also blame our people for being shallow minded and not commited in taking matters like this seriously. Sick man of Asia ang Philippines. So behind sa mga neighbors, walang improvement at lalong naging sakim at sumama ang mga tao dahil sa kakitiran ng mga utak at denial at pride na wala sa lugar! Purely trash!

[Soul Doctor]

You still are not hearing what Im saying here.

The moment China declares war with Philippines, (and U.S.) is when they are sure that the enemy already lost.

Why do you think they are testing nuclear warhead on the ocean.

But few people understood the type of war they are going to use when they decided to declare war.
It is not good old guns and bullets.

Biological warfare.
U.S have done it.
Other countries have done it.
But since the SARS, I really suspected China of developing secretly a biological weapon.
A virus is far less expensive. It is deniable. Its deadly effective to wipe out a population.

Ask yourself again.
Why is the SARS incident not investigated fully.
Where did it really came from?
But virus like SARS can be genetically manipulated to produce another form of deadlier virus.

Chemical and Biological Weapons - China Special Weapons

[jumper_stage]

lupigon gihapon ta kay hasta ilang mga hayop mangarati....



ang atoa kay, sigeg usap...

[Visual C#]

China has far more to lose in a war with the US. The US is their no. 1 customer; any war or just any hint of war being initiated from their side, will be devastating to their economy. They are still primarily an export-oriented economy, and is still trying to transition to a domestic-driven one (with mixed results). The US also won't risk war with China; the economic turmoil would be unsustainable for both countries.

What's all this conspiracy theory nonsense? Unless you can provide evidence of such a conspiracy it, such nonsense has no place in this thread.

[Visual C#]

You still are not hearing what Im saying here.

The moment China declares war with Philippines, (and U.S.) is when they are sure that the enemy already lost.

Why do you think they are testing nuclear warhead on the ocean.

But few people understood the type of war they are going to use when they decided to declare war.
It is not good old guns and bullets.

Biological warfare.
U.S have done it.
Other countries have done it.
But since the SARS, I really suspected China of developing secretly a biological weapon.
A virus is far less expensive. It is deniable. Its deadly effective to wipe out a population.

Ask yourself again.
Why is the SARS incident not investigated fully.
Where did it really came from?
But virus like SARS can be genetically manipulated to produce another form of deadlier virus.

Chemical and Biological Weapons - China Special Weapons

Again, conspiracy theory nonsense. The only fault China has for SARS was not cooperating enough with the WHO in reporting it, and trying to cover it up (to not risk social instability in China's part, which was clearly a mistake that they corrected). Having provided no evidence of "weaponizing" SARS on your part, I call BS.