MERGED: CHINA: Next Superpower?

[F.E.W]

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hehehe..cge man palig on ang china sa ila defense..

[salbahis]

: kurog siguro gamay ang u.s ani da.

why?, PLAN's carrier is a Cold War Era carrier.... while the us are more modern!!

[wikki]

why?, PLAN's carrier is a Cold War Era carrier.... while the us are more modern!!

Your view on the topic is just plain biased to the US and shallow.

It doens't matter if the ship looks old, everything else from onboard electronics to power pack can be replaced. It was designed that way to minimize cost and time of actually building another ship. It doesn't matter if the thing looks like 50 as long as arnaments it carries are modern.

[salbahis]

Your view on the topic is just plain biased to the US and shallow.

It doens't matter if the ship looks old, everything else from onboard electronics to power pack can be replaced. It was designed that way to minimize cost and time of actually building another ship. It doesn't matter if the thing looks like 50 as long as arnaments it carries are modern.

ikaw maoy shallow and biased, you forgot that a carrier is just floating airfield, i never said the looks... you cant put a modern stuff on old things without sacrificing something... varyag was designed to counter US CVN (Cold war Era)

its the aircraft that do the killing.... a carrier is nothing but a huge-battle-taxi and a command and control! thats why a carrier will not operate alone.... you should know that coz you reacted on my post...

compare the chinese battlegroup against British and US batlegroup.... you will see the big difference... i know where to look pero ikaw pangitag paagi i hate spoonfeeding.....

to think varyag runs on diesel not on nuclear as most USN CVN!

[Visual C#]

@Hulagway as far i know defense against the SunBurn does not exist (it was designed to beat Aegis). The best defence they can have is to stay away in the Straight of Hormuz .

They are already in the Persian Gulf, US navy ships pass by the Strait of Hormuz; the US 5th Fleet is stationed in Bahrain. So why has Iran not bothered to attack? Again, they have every reason to do so. Iran's Navy is poorly equipped and maintained; the Russian missiles you mentioned have never been tested in battle. Without a sophisticated space-based or land-based guidance and tracking system, the missiles won't last for long, and may not even hit their targets. The Iranian navy wouldn't last a week against the 5th fleet.

Plus, please remember that all these high-tech equipment is nothing if not for proper training and a highly-developed naval camaraderie and culture, which Iran has little to none of. Proper training of naval officers, naval aviators, and other support crew count for a lot in any battle, and can make a huge difference in any conflict.

The best the Iranians can hope for is either a.) saturating the Strait of Hormuz with anti-ship missiles, b.) use their Kilo-class attack submarines, and c.) mine the Strait of Hormuz. Their aim won't be to attack the US Navy, but to disrupt petroleum shipments to global markets, to serve as their true "nuclear" option. But even this would be suicide for the Iranians; they'll end up getting hurt more than the Americans ever will.

Here's something to look at to remind us of the US navy's dominance:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/192/navalupdate81711800.jpg

Here's something to read for everyone (especially those who think that Iran has a navy capable of challenging the US navy).

Iran and the Strait of Hormuz: Part 1 - Iran Strait Part1
Iran and the Strait of Hormuz: Part 2 - Iran Strait Part2
Iran and the Strait of Hormuz: Part 3 - Iran Strait Part3

[Visual C#]

By the way, we are going waaay off topic. The issue here is about China's carrier. Ultimately, it is just posturing; the carrier means nothing if it is not accompanied by a carrier battle group. The PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) can't hold a candle to the US Navy, and it will stay that way for a long time. The best that China can hope for is a stalemate, to make the cost of a naval blockade so high, that the Americans won't even try it; saturate the coast with antiship missiles and try out their ASBM's (anti-ship ballistic missile) against US carriers, and of course Kilo-class attack submarines.

Ultimately, no one is interested in a war. China is far more dependent on the US and on international trade than the US is. The US is also more interested in getting more cheap goods and exploiting cheap labor from the Chinese than they are of invading/blockading. Their current wars in the Middle East and their preoccupation with Islamism will also limit their responses in any Chinese intrusion. But that doesn't mean that America will do nothing if their overwhelming control of the oceans will be seriously challenged by anyone.

[flanker]

@Visual I would like to discuss it even further but you're right OT na kaayo ta.

To the topic. The Varyag is not for combat but for training & research only as they will create an indigenous carrier in the future.

It will take time pajud kai wala pa gani silay operational deck-based aircraft. Though they acquired a copy of Su 33 prototype and name it J-15 a pirated copy.

[likyam]

Di jud ta maghuman ani, kay kaning istoryaha wala mani padulngan, there will always be antagonist and protagonist....

Kung mo atake ang china, as long as we don't have a strong economy di jud ta ka sustain ug gyera... Bisan unsa pa kamaayo o ka palpak ato armed forces, we don't have the capabilty and finances to replace the assets we would lost...

i beg to disagree. Spain was a Colonnial Power on their time. pero sundang-atsa sa ato mga katigulangan maoi nakatabang pagkitil sa ilang pagka gahaman diri sa pinas. mao na maski tingai na tagilid ta, may edge ang pinoy. kai ug sa tanum pa, sobra pas laya pero makakitag higayon maagiag gamayng patak sa uwan buhi. hahahaha

wala gyd na sa listahan sa mga Chinese ang gubat-gubat. puro rana negosyo ilaha.

maybe. pero i think naa sad gamayng scare like what happened sa milk scare and sa mga plastic products kuno na grabe ang leaking ug toxic chemicals.

[leonell]

Nothing, that's bec that carrier is going to be used for testing and experiments only, They will develop their own design minus the flaws of the Russian and US design. They can actually challenge the US carrier fleet, by sheer number of diesel attack subs which China is still currently producing in huge numbers. Arm those with supersonic torpedos and its a done deal.

As for taiwan having missiles is not new, China is already has anti ship ballistic missiles even India and Iran have those and Eastern nations are currently researching on Supersonic Anti Ship Ballistic Missiles that can wipeout entire naval fleets in one go.

Carriers do little in actual war againts nations with missile capabilities, The US has been going to war againts 3rd world nations that only have rpgs for defence, Give Propaganda a clap for making their fleet seem even more invinsible. They learned quite a lot from Hitler and his War Machine Propaganda, best examples are the Tiger Tanks which was flawed in every possible way except for its turret and gun.

True there, we can't blame a state that does not acquire aircraft carrier. They're to much of a burden since maintaining them and fuel is far too costly than it's benefits. These "white elephants" are easier to take down in actual naval battles. I still remember how US' smaller fleet sunk the Imperial Japanese' largest aircraft carrier in the Battle of Midway.

No worries, Filipinos defeated the Chinese in the Battle of Yultong Bridge in the Korean War already.

nuclear warhead

the US has over 10,000 nuclear warheads in it's arsenal and can destroy the world a thousand times over.

[wikki]

ikaw maoy shallow and biased, you forgot that a carrier is just floating airfield, i never said the looks... you cant put a modern stuff on old things without sacrificing something... varyag was designed to counter US CVN (Cold war Era)

its the aircraft that do the killing.... a carrier is nothing but a huge-battle-taxi and a command and control! thats why a carrier will not operate alone.... you should know that coz you reacted on my post...

compare the chinese battlegroup against British and US batlegroup.... you will see the big difference... i know where to look pero ikaw pangitag paagi i hate spoonfeeding.....

to think varyag runs on diesel not on nuclear as most USN CVN!

Igo kaayo ego nimo sa? lol mao btw biased kaayo ka and shallow, saying that the thing is coldwar era then stating that the aircraft does the killing and the carrier is nothing more than a floating airfield? now thats shallow, thats a big NO, who ever said that a carrier is limited to being just a floating airfield they can put missile pods and ballistic launch pads on the carrier? Some of the US carriers are even fitted to be used as a single ship doomsday weapon.

Why even compare battlegroups of nations that adopted to different doctrines to the US battlefleets? its like trying to prove that square and cirlce is equal, It's the same dumb notion that the french paid heavily when they compared their superior armor regiments againts the lesser armed german armor before germany invaded France. Heck even the Russian battlegroup wont even be called a battlegroup when paired up to the US fleet but sure enough it can sink an entire fleet if it has to.

bah ang pang hambog nga you know where to look, nya Wikipedia, Jane Defence and other military fan sites. Spoonfeeding? or wala lang gyud ka kibaw? lol convenient excuse.

btw usay sabot nimo sa experimental and study unit? to be used for a battlegroup and world domination? lol