MERGED: CHINA: Next Superpower?

[KhunRudy]

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hehehehe ang dapat ninyo kahadlokan kanang mga tao nga naa sa gobyerno, mga kawatan mga adik hahaha mao na mga tawhana mopatay sa mga pilipino. kanang spratly ihatag na mas maayo dayon og wa nay visa og moadto ta sa china. wa nay visa visa hahahaha. ang di malipay katong mga adunahan kay maupawan pero ako way kwarta malipay hahahaha. kana sad diay mga bright konohay hehehehe. blah blah blah.

[dbrain23]

We will never be ready for China. Ever! Gasalig ra man tawon ta sa US mutabang nato kung sulungon ta sa China. And the US helping us is not even a guarantee..

[noy.juan]

@noy.juan - nya kanus.a mana na tukod? post ww2 sad? btw Wikipedia is edited to cater to the West Propaganda Engine. NO PROOF OF BIO WEAPONS where the hell have you been? READ MORE POST LESS GYUD, ESPECIALLY HISTORY. And no Country not even the US nor Russia would openly admit that they have a cheap bioweapon that can erase an entire country in a single go, that would create a panic and a massive arms race. They'd be doing what Hitler did with his V2 rockets and the prostpect of it carrying Nukes, what happend? oh yeah Japan got it twice! because Germany was dead when the bomb was ready for it.

Read a History book about a topic thats contains a lot of conflict and read Wikipedias Version, the old books dont lie, later revision have been edited, But you judge what is real and what is edited.

@noy.juan - oh and about the war on the South, Defence what? thats plainly an economic engine being kept running for gold Period. thats no secret and people are cheap when it comes to sheer mass amount of the harvest, if your too stupid to even comprehend that and how the world economy runs (yes the world, not just locally) dont even post a reply.

not again, wikipedia? can you find better sources?, and also did i said on my posts that they dont have BIO/NUKE weapons?, possibility yes, but usually weapons of mass destruction are used as final option or to end a conflict... re read your history book and understand it....

its not a secret that US and Russia have BIO/NUKE weapons... so its not conspiracy its a fact

back up you claims first with proof (stop using effing wikipedia its B$), then until all your post is not backed with solid proof, it is B$ , and you are no different from a cannabis-smoking-hippie

and btw about pag-asa nag start ug puyo nga taw during 60 to 70s... so yes post-ww2, so whats you point?

again i reiterate.... dont effing use wikipedia if you insisted in using it take it with a 100 sack of salt

[wikki]

not again, wikipedia? can you find better sources?, and also did i said on my posts that they dont have BIO/NUKE weapons?, possibility yes, but usually weapons of mass destruction are used as final option or to end a conflict... re read your history book and understand it....

its not a secret that US and Russia have BIO/NUKE weapons... so its not conspiracy its a fact

back up you claims first with proof (stop using effing wikipedia its B$), then until all your post is not backed with solid proof, it is B$ , and you are no different from a cannabis-smoking-hippie

and btw about pag-asa nag start ug puyo nga taw during 60 to 70s... so yes post-ww2, so whats you point?

again i reiterate.... dont effing use wikipedia if you insisted in using it take it with a 100 sack of salt

I insisted on using Wikipedia? Dont even reply when you didn't understand a thing I posted above you dumbass (READ PROPERLY), and for those structures being built post ww2 THAT IS THE POINT! those islands were claimed by the ph post ww2 since China was so broken after the War they didn't have time to deal with the matter, now thier getting back what they lost.

Fist you say that bio and chemical weapons are BS conspiracy Theories, now your saying its a fact that they have those.. wtf? dont you ever think before you reply? you didn't even comprehend that your contradicting yourself more and more.

[Visual C#]

Careful on the language.. please stop resorting to calling people names (dumbass, idiot, retard... etc.), or I will end this discussion right here.

[noy.juan]

I insisted on using Wikipedia? Dont even reply when you didn't understand a thing I posted above you dumbass (READ PROPERLY), and for those structures being built post ww2 THAT IS THE POINT! those islands were claimed by the ph post ww2 since China was so broken after the War they didn't have time to deal with the matter, now thier getting back what they lost.

Fist you say that bio and chemical weapons are BS conspiracy Theories, now your saying its a fact that they have those.. wtf? dont you ever think before you reply? you didn't even comprehend that your contradicting yourself more and more.

the BS conspiracy im talking about is using it on US!!, not about having them (you failed to understand my posts.... to bad the level i used on that one is elementary), ikaw maoy simang...

wikipedia is publicly editable ive worked on wikipedia actually i am editing some articles there as what my job tells me...

last time i know, paga-asa is still philippines... so no matter if we built structures their post-ww2 or not...

backup you claims with solid proof... till then i will scrutinize the every word on your posts till there is no more to scrutinize, the imaturity of you post is pretty obvious ive been in this road before kid, im already back... show some proof first not replying with your nonse BS that you cant even back-up

KIG was claim by the philippines during the spanish colonization, it was redrawn couple of times.... but still kig is included... they didnt lost it before the war.... not all information is in wiki kid, try using internet wisely!!! remember during the spanish time there is no UNCLOS... so everyone can claim it....

until then everytime you posts, i will scrutinize every word, expect more from me, since you started it.... dont worry i will do it with the bounds of the rules of this forum... but my sarcasm cuts deep...!!!

backed it up!!

[Visual C#]

Slight OT: Chemical and biological weapons are NOT conspiracy theories; they're real, and they've all been used in warfare. The Mongols were rumored to have inadvertently used bio-warfare during their conquests, when they flinged dead corpses of Black Death victims to cities they were about to conquer, not because they understood the role of the corpses in spreading disease, but because they simply wanted to terrorize the populace before their wonderful genocide takes place.

Chemical weapons have been used for a long time, but gained official status in WWI: both sides used chlorine gas, phosgene, and sarin. It was terrifying, yes, but ultimately ineffective, as the invention of the gas mask rendered these weapons useless. More people got killed from bombs and bullets than the chemical weaponry.

Do you know what the issue is here: how completely overblown the whole situation is with chemical and biological weapons. They are one of the most completely unreliable types of weapons. Biological and chemical weapons, while potent, are at the mercy of so many factors; transporting, developing and dispersing these are very difficult. Weather, esp. wind direction can completely render these weapons useless. I see them more as "weapons of mass disruption/distraction" rather than a credible threat. What happens in a chemical weapon attack? Some people may die, but the whole area is immediately quarantined, cleaned up, and rendered unusable for some time. Bio weapons? Quarantine, and sophisticated medical practices and understanding have pretty much rendered them useless too.

Someone was saying about SARS being a deadly bio-weapon developed by the Chinese. First of all, you don't weaponize something is infectious as SARS. That's just bad juju; you want the weapon to be easily dispersed, but not communicable. No country or weapons development company would be that insane, regardless of what you see in movies, conspiracy theory blogs, and novels. SARS viruses are also killed rather easily by heat, antibiotics, and radiation. Anthrax however is different; the spores are very hardy and can survive for days, but is not communicable. Bacterial toxins from clostridium botulinum are also candidates, and so is ricin (from the castor bean). But these are all easily affected by weather conditions, and not to mention ineffective against modern medicine, and quarantine.

How many chemical and biological weapons attacks have you seen so far since WWII? Very few.. and how many casualties were due to these weapons? Even far less... If these weapons were that effective, we'd see several successful attacks by now.

Terrorists and most "rogue states" would rather resort to good old bullets, IED's and VBIEDs: killing far more people than all of the chemical and biological agents used in all of the world's conflicts combined.

Here's more information on how these weapons are so overrated.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57423844

[Faeries]

China? very interesting. specially with the Spratly issue. I hope to have strong ASEAN connection first before that. If that happens maybe China will think twice, specially that many ASEAN states have claim over the Spratly area.

I wont mind strengthening alliance with ASEAN states and maybe US.

[noy.juan]

Slight OT: Chemical and biological weapons are NOT conspiracy theories; they're real, and they've all been used in warfare. The Mongols were rumored to have inadvertently used bio-warfare during their conquests, when they flinged dead corpses of Black Death victims to cities they were about to conquer, not because they understood the role of the corpses in spreading disease, but because they simply wanted to terrorize the populace before their wonderful genocide takes place.

Chemical weapons have been used for a long time, but gained official status in WWI: both sides used chlorine gas, phosgene, and sarin. It was terrifying, yes, but ultimately ineffective, as the invention of the gas mask rendered these weapons useless. More people got killed from bombs and bullets than the chemical weaponry.

Do you know what the issue is here: how completely overblown the whole situation is with chemical and biological weapons. They are one of the most completely unreliable types of weapons. Biological and chemical weapons, while potent, are at the mercy of so many factors; transporting, developing and dispersing these are very difficult. Weather, esp. wind direction can completely render these weapons useless. I see them more as "weapons of mass disruption/distraction" rather than a credible threat. What happens in a chemical weapon attack? Some people may die, but the whole area is immediately quarantined, cleaned up, and rendered unusable for some time. Bio weapons? Quarantine, and sophisticated medical practices and understanding have pretty much rendered them useless too.

Someone was saying about SARS being a deadly bio-weapon developed by the Chinese. First of all, you don't weaponize something is infectious as SARS. That's just bad juju; you want the weapon to be easily dispersed, but not communicable. No country or weapons development company would be that insane, regardless of what you see in movies, conspiracy theory blogs, and novels. SARS viruses are also killed rather easily by heat, antibiotics, and radiation. Anthrax however is different; the spores are very hardy and can survive for days, but is not communicable. Bacterial toxins from clostridium botulinum are also candidates, and so is ricin (from the castor bean). But these are all easily affected by weather conditions, and not to mention ineffective against modern medicine, and quarantine.

How many chemical and biological weapons attacks have you seen so far since WWII? Very few.. and how many casualties were due to these weapons? Even far less... If these weapons were that effective, we'd see several successful attacks by now.

Terrorists and most "rogue states" would rather resort to good old bullets, IED's and VBIEDs: killing far more people than all of the chemical and biological agents used in all of the world's conflicts combined.

Here's more information on how these weapons are so overrated.

The Jihadist CBRN Threat

OT ko gamay: the point of my posts is that will china use that kind of weapon to us?, thats the consipiracy theories that i pointed out since the thread is about us and china right?, because if we really look at it there are lot of things they will lost than gain if they attack us, now the aggression they made on the KIG is they have the assumption that they owned the KIG based from their OWN records, so its normal that they will attack any intrusions, so about having them its not conspiracy theories, coz any country with strong military have that kind of program...

in every war, any leader would think what are the gains if they do this and do that, and what are the loses if they do this or do that...

we are the 21st century, leaders now a days are not barbarians maybe heartless but they will think twice if their action will cost their leadership and most of all their country, POWER is precious commodity if they lost it, its like losing their arms and legs, regardless of that leader is a dictator or not...

remember even dictator love their country the only difference between a dictator and non, is the way how they love and protect it...

some leader love of their country are either driven by greed, power and patriotism or all of the above

PATRIOTISM + POWER = GOOD LEADER
GOOD LEADER + GREED = BAD LEADER

[treize]

TS - No! we will never be ready for China, We can't even solve the rebel problem in the Southern Areas.

@treize - Thats not conspiracy, Even Iraq and Iran have used bio weapons from the past. If China does go to war with another able country it wont be conventional. Its either Nuclear, Biological/Chemical or Highly technical as in shutting down the entire countries government infastructure and banking which are all linked to the internet. In the end only the victory matters, and the victor gets to decide what is right or wrong, thats how it has always been.

btw not all islands conveniently named spratly by a f*** westerner is officially a part of the philippines, note: The Philippines is also contesting ownership of the islands (We dont own it!, hell not even a single Filipino is living on it untill recently when there were rumors of oil under them. shesh!), but if you take a look at official history reconds those islands belonged to China, Vietnam and Cambodia. (And i mean those really really old historical records and maps! yes maps!, not those that suddenly popped up post wwII with english names on them, go figure!)

Oh you mean that China will definitely weaponize SARS or something deadlier than that to attack us? And that is a fact? How convenient.. tsk! tsk! tsk!... please re-read the post that I quoted and check if you missed something.. anyway it's not just the one that I quoted is the only thing that I was trying to pinpoint, I was too lazy to quote all Soul Doc's posts cause they're too many. If you missed my point, I apologize, my bad then..