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    Default BEWARE of Ponzi Schemes.


    A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves paying abnormally high returns ("profits") to investors out of the money paid in by subsequent investors, rather than from net revenues generated by any real business, named after Charles Ponzi.

    A Ponzi scheme usually offers abnormally high short-term returns in order to entice new investors. The high returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises (and pays) require an ever-increasing flow of money from investors in order to keep the scheme going.

    The system is doomed to collapse because there are little or no underlying earnings from the money received by the promoter. However, the scheme is often interrupted by legal authorities before it collapses, because a Ponzi scheme is suspected and/or because the promoter is selling unregistered securities. (As more and more investors become involved, the likelihood of the scheme coming to the attention of authorities will continue to increase.)

    The scheme is named after Charles Ponzi, who became notorious for using the technique after emigrating from Italy to the United States in 1903. Ponzi was not the first to invent such a scheme, but his operation took in such a large amount of money that it was the first to become known throughout the United States. Today's schemes are often considerably more sophisticated than Ponzi's, although the underlying formula is quite similar and the principle behind every Ponzi scheme is to exploit lapses in judgment arising out of GREED.

    An advertisement is placed promising extraordinary returns on an investment – for example 20% for a 30 day contract. The precise mechanism for this incredible return can be attributed to anything that sounds good but is not specific: "global currency arbitrage", "hedge futures trading", "high yield investment programs", or similar.

    With no proven track record for the investors, only a few investors are tempted, usually for smaller sums (say $5,000). Sure enough, 30 days later, the investor receives $6,000 – the original capital plus the 20% return ($1,000). At this point, greed starts to overcome reason: the investor will put in more money, and, as word begins to spread, other investors grab the "opportunity" to participate. More and more people invest, and see their investments return the promised large returns.

    The reality of the scheme is that the "return" to the initial investors is being paid out of the new, incoming investment money, not out of profits. There is no "global currency arbitrage", "hedge futures trading", or "high yield investment programs" actually taking place. Instead, when Investor D puts in money, that money becomes available to pay out "profits" to investors A, B, and C. When investors X, Y, and Z put in money, that money is available to pay "profits" to investors A through W.

    One reason that the scheme works so well is that early investors – those who actually got paid the large returns – quite commonly reinvest (keep) their money in the scheme (it does, after all, pay out much better than any alternative investment). Thus those running the scheme don't actually have to pay out very much (net) – they simply have to send statements to investors that show how much the investors have earned by keeping the money in what looks like a great place to get a high return.

    The catch is that at some point one of three things will happen: (a) the promoters will vanish, taking all the investment money (less payouts) with them; (b) the scheme will collapse of its own weight, as investment slows and the promoters start having problems paying out the promised returns (and when they start having problems, the word spreads, and more people start asking for their money); or (c) the scheme is exposed, because when legal authorities begin examining accounting records of the so-called enterprise, they find that much of the "assets" that should exist, do not.

    The Ponzi Scheme is also otherwise known as a Crime of Persuasion.

    What is and is not a Ponzi scheme.

    * A pyramid scheme is a form of fraud similar in some ways to a Ponzi scheme, relying as it does on a disbelief in financial reality, including the hope of an extremely high rate of return. However, several characteristics distinguish pyramid schemes from Ponzi schemes:

    * In a Ponzi scheme, the schemer acts as a “hub” for the victims, interacting with all of them directly. In a pyramid scheme, those who recruit additional participants benefit directly (in fact, failure to recruit typically means no investment return).

    * A Ponzi scheme relies on some esoteric investment approach, insider connections, etc., and often attracts well-to-do investors; pyramid schemes explicitly claim that new money will be the source of payout for the initial investments.

    * A pyramid scheme is bound to collapse a lot faster, simply because of the demand for exponential increases in participants to sustain it (Ponzi schemes can survive simply by getting most participants to "reinvest" their money, with a relatively small number of new participants).

    * A bubble. A bubble relies on suspension of disbelief and an expectation of large profits, but it is not the same as a Ponzi scheme. A bubble involves ever-rising (and unsustainable) prices in an open market (be that shares of a stock, housing prices, the price of tulip bulbs, or anything else). As long as buyers are willing to pay ever-increasing prices, sellers can get out with a profit. And there doesn't need to be a schemer behind a bubble. (In fact, a bubble can arise without any fraud at all - for example, housing prices in a local market that rise sharply but eventually drop sharply because of overbuilding.)

    * Robbing Peter to pay Paul. When debts are due and the money to pay them is lacking, whether because of bad luck or deliberate theft, debtors often make their payments by borrowing or stealing from other monies they have. It does not follow that this is a Ponzi scheme. From the basic facts set out, it is not, because there is no indication that the lenders were promised unrealistically high rates of return via claims of unusual financial investments. Nor (from these basic facts) is there any indication that the borrower (banker) is progressively increasing the amount of borrowing ("investing") to cover payments to initial investors (as, again, Ponzi was not the first to do.)

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    that is why there are more pyramids in Philippines than in Egypt hehehehe.. this is i guese plainly recruiting.... nwala na ang concept sa product movement ky cge nlang pang recruit.. this is really SHIT!.. nka sulay nko ani ug seminat kd2 sauna sa insurance,, plainly recruting dyd.. somebody also from legacy and bsn unsa nalng to nga seminar ako naapilan...... ang nadatu pg au ang ng una coz tanan g invest sa newbie tua tanan sa ng una...

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    This just in at TV Patrol.

    Francswiss has been classified as a pyramiding scam.

    I do hope Euro-American Index is soon classified as such. Daghan na ang nailad na sad aning HYIPs.

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    too bad for cebuanos who just joined infact I was once invited to join.but I rejected the invitation coz I have doubts, I told him Id rather gamble
    on mutual funds..hehehe!

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    naa koy giapilan ani. tan-awun pa next week kun naa bay masulod sa ako bank account.

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    lovemoon
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    mao jud..akong amigo..gi emailan and NBI, office of the Pres, DILG, etc..para e inform ni nga mga agencies aning ilad ron...ga ilis2x lang ug ngalan...francswiss..karon deutchfrancs nasad...saonz...daghan sad magpailad..naa pa koy kaila..ok ra daw kay ang moingon scam kay ang kana ra daw walay ika invest..kanahan nga tao..mangilad ug tao..motuo pa kaha nig Ginoo tawhana..faetz..

    its better to be vigilant jud.

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    scams ba pod ng mga filmax,foreveleaving,itech?

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    lovemoon
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    kanang scams kay kon walay product..tapos kwarta ra ang Involved...like that of francswiss or deutchfrancs..etc..

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    How about kadtong nangamatay nga MLM nga naay product, pero padayon galaum ang mga tawo sa Cebu without knowing nga patay na sa Manila?

    BP.Net for instance. Legacy, Igen, etc? Can't they be considered scam?

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    lovemoon
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    wala tay mahimo if nangawala sila..naka himo man sila ug business wala man sila gipangdakop..so ila nasad na..pero the bottomline is..SCAM is immoral..by the way, u engaged with these companies before. which one? lisod sad..i understand..biktima man sad ko ug mga scam but its not the end of the road..naay uban diha na legitimate jud.

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