How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

[tokidoki_v2.0]

---

^^ to be honest bai i really can't see it that way because even my relatives who lived through the american occupation didn't have problems with americans. Although surprising to even some of you, they even had high praises for Japanese when they occupied our country for some time.

Just like every other person in the world bai NOT ALL Japanese were bad for the same reason NOT ALL Americans were good.

Although I'm not saying your facts are untrue some even went so far to say that sometimes makaingon daw sila mas salbahis daw ang amerkano kay sa hapon.

[emow]

are you saying ba na our government is bad??

The system itself is corrupted, and everything in it is intertwined so much that the philosophies have been obscured. I believe, we are lead by false philanthropy, deliberately or ignorantly. Our very own education conforms to a single direction mandated by the government. Aren't we all made to accept that the government has the bigger scope in our lives? That laws are legitimate even if they are inconsistent with the ideals of liberty? If its not okay for me to steal your money to pay for my own benefit, why is it okay for the government to steal your money to pay for mine? And in the process, takes a portion of it...

What is really the purpose of government? That is the question being asked seriously by the citizens of the United States, as well as EU nations. We should ask the same question.

[chris_bern]

^^ to be honest bai i really can't see it that way because even my relatives who lived through the american occupation didn't have problems with americans. Although surprising to even some of you, they even had high praises for Japanese when they occupied our country for some time.

Just like every other person in the world bai NOT ALL Japanese were bad for the same reason NOT ALL Americans were good.

Although I'm not saying your facts are untrue some even went so far to say that sometimes makaingon daw sila mas salbahis daw ang amerkano kay sa hapon.

a ok.. so it seems that you were amazed by the achievements made by the american colonizers in our country?? Am I correct ba?

if that is so, ok lang na bai kay americans and other previous colonizers of the philippines are indeed great countries of civilized nations even until now.. I just hope you may get a lesson from them in a way that will make our country prosperous.. All of us pinoys are indeed fed up of poverty and a lot of us are hoping that our country will prosper in a good way.

[chris_bern]

The system itself is corrupted, and everything in it is intertwined so much that the philosophies have been obscured. I believe, we are lead by false philanthropy, deliberately or ignorantly. Our very own education conforms to a single direction mandated by the government. Aren't we all made to accept that the government has the bigger scope in our lives? That laws are legitimate even if they are inconsistent with the ideals of liberty? If its not okay for me to steal your money to pay for my own benefit, why is it okay for the government to steal your money to pay for mine? And in the process, takes a portion of it...

What is really the purpose of government? That is the question being asked seriously by the citizens of the United States, as well as EU nations. We should ask the same question.

1. ok.. so if that is your belief about our system in the Philippine government then what exactly are we going to do to make it correct?

2. What is the purpose of the government?? in general answers dude i could say to help its citizens[/U].. do u have any other answers?

[tokidoki_v2.0]

Ang usa sad ka solution bai is to educate the poor as if you are educating a child. You can't explain to them the concepts of safe *** and birth control because these are beyond their degree of comprehension.

If you've seen interviews in depressed areas on TV maka facepalm lang ka ug maayo kai di daw sila magcondom kai "walay lami" daw. Unya usa ka dosena ang anak na walay ipakaon. HAHAY GYUD! SUS MARIOSEP!

Nya unsaon naman lang na? Sige lang sila ug yatska maskin walay kwarta? Bahalag saging basta labing? Only a hormonally charged teenager would talk like that and yet ang gi interview was a 50yr old man! Jesus!

[chris_bern]

[QUOTE=tokidoki_v2.0;11691393]Ang usa sad ka solution bai is to educate the poor as if you are educating a child. You can't explain to them the concepts of safe *** and birth control because these are beyond their degree of comprehension.





how exactly are you going to do that?

[emow]

What you are describing is actually the core of communism. Everyone is equal. Nobody gets rich. Take the excess of the other to share with the rest. (Ironically, Christianity was founded on these same principles). See another pattern as to why the Philippines is poor due to the church's teachings? Not surprisingly, that was mentioned in the recent video shared here.

I apologize to have made you confused with what i really meant. I am not for communism, in fact, im totally against it. What i meant was " Must we clothe, feed, shelter and educate other citizens?" In our system, apparently all people demand a benefit derived from the government. This is the core of our problems. It is as if, the government can call upon the heavens to bestow in its coffers endless supply of money to pay for the insurance of Juan delacruz, for the disability claim of Juan tamad, for the cancer treatment of Yosi Kadiri, etc... Let man live his own life, for happiness, sadness, success or failure. Must the government ascertain the complete well being of each citizen? I am ascertaining my well being, but don't make me responsible for your, him, her or theirs...

I am with you when say, freedom is illusion. Yes it can be, when it is used as a package wrapping rather than the package itself. We have been led to countless demonstrations for "freedom" but actually we were just led to side one group of people who wish to occupy power against another group of people who wish to occupy the same power. They have achieved this with us thinking we are free. WE ARE NOT. I guess we agree on that point.

What i mean to share is the message of liberty, true liberty without being obscured by a banner of a political party. What i realize is that every man will fight for his freedom, with his life on the line. That is just natural, for we are all endowed with self-preservation. If i steal your money, you'll shoot me... natural reaction. If i try to kill you, you'll shoot me...natural reaction... If i try to imprison you by force, you'll try even killing me to break free... a natural reaction.. That is no illusion. All men want to be free.

When people in legislator wish to transform the people according to their own definition of what it ought to be, that becomes tyranny. It is as if they do not belong to the same mold of clay..Aren't we all humans? It is the right of the legislator to wish, organize, or plan of what society might be but he should not force others with his ambitions. Same with Religion, they ought to keep religion with themselves. But unlike religion in this country, which has no legal powers, legislators can force people. Law is force. It is the ultimate force of any society. And force is anti-liberty. Laws and Liberty are indirectly proportional... more laws, less freedom. What i suggest is for the government to remain into the enforcing of JUST LAWS and do away with laws intervening into the private lives of people and the free market.

People who are unproductive will die at their own demise. I ask not the government to pay for his funeral, for i have labored much more than to deserve a part of my contributions to the unworthy. I ask the government to limit itself to the confines of preventing injustice and not positive "justice." But I too am a realist, i know people will naturally remove themselves of responsibilities and opt for welfare, anything as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Man has two natures. One, he works ceaselessly to enjoy the resource of this earth. Two, he plunders other's labor to save him the pain of gaining it. Apparently, most often than not, we are on the latter.

[emow]

@ chrisbern:

1. Our system of government is patterned from other nations after WW2. Most nations by that time adopted Keynesian Economic, and a socialist democractic form of government. These welfares you are seeing, SSS, PhilHealth, Senior's discount, Pantawid Gutom etc, are of the same nature, distribution of wealth. Legislators will tell you, "to help those people who can't help themselves, we shall take care of them," "those who have less in life must have more in law," or "to foster labor and employment, we must spend endlessly." These are the examples that are echoing into our times. But, did it accomplish what it wish to accomplish?

When governments favor an industry or a group of people, it can only do so with your and my tax money. In every transaction of "helping," the government will take its commision to pay for wages to those agencies who will facilitate welfare programs. What is seen are the benefits certain citizens, not all, but what is not seen is the opportunity cost lost by other tax payers. If we arrive at this thought " sagdi lang, sunod ikaw naman sad tabangan!" then why not each person help himself in the beginning?

My thoughts on what the government should be is derived from the principles of Frederic Bastiat, who contributed significantly to Modern Economics. Governments should be small, low taxes, no protectionism, no welfare, protect liberty and maintain free trade. Let the people derive their own fate. Sometimes, i get the feeling that all of these social problems stem from the concept of freedom. Freedom has seen so many martyrs, and yet the moment we earn it, we lose it slowly the day we earn it.

2. Isn't that what the government is doing right now? helping its citizens? Are we better off? To be able to help us, first the government must raise taxes, impose laws, curtail freedom. Governments should be left in maintaining just laws consistent with right to life liberty and property, and ensure the free market.

If you have some time, i would recommend you read THE LAW and ECONOMIC SOPHISMS by Frederic Bastiat. It can put order to your political principles.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

I apologize to have made you confused with what i really meant. I am not for communism, in fact, im totally against it. What i meant was " Must we clothe, feed, shelter and educate other citizens?" In our system, apparently all people demand a benefit derived from the government. This is the core of our problems. It is as if, the government can call upon the heavens to bestow in its coffers endless supply of money to pay for the insurance of Juan delacruz, for the disability claim of Juan tamad, for the cancer treatment of Yosi Kadiri, etc... Let man live his own life, for happiness, sadness, success or failure. Must the government ascertain the complete well being of each citizen? I am ascertaining my well being, but don't make me responsible for your, him, her or theirs...

i wasn't exactly correcting you about your reply. I was just thinking out loud that communism is disturbingly similar to what you just described.

Anyway, it is also worth noting that the basic ideas of laws is so in a large population the freedom of one is not violated by another. Simple ra man unta na mindset. Wiccans have that just one law. Why do we need so many to enforce that one true idea, that is, to live freely without violating other people's freedom?

Bahala'g malibang ka diha sa dan basta lang di na nako masimhot or matumban imong tae. In short, di ko mahasol sa imong kabuang. lol Anyway, you get the idea.

A lawyer once told me that "to enforce God's 10 commandments, a million laws had to be put in place to enforce it. In spite of that, criminals still manage to weasel out of it. That's why there are lawyers." :P I'm thinking bitaw maybe the concept of "laws" is a flawed concept to begin with.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

how exactly are you going to do that?

aw, kana gyud binata gyud pagtudlo ba. simple. concise. fear monger if you have to.