Second Vatican Council (Vatican II)

[bungot25]

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the problem is we could not know for certainty that there really is a sede vacante, could we? that is why there is Faith. basic catechism teaches us that it is the Holy Spirit that will guide the church. for me, i leave it to faith. the politics of Rome are merely peripheral issues. we should not confuse the tree for the forest. and besides, I dont like to relish too long on conspiracy theories.

vatican 2 is an evil sect they teaches masonic doctrine, such as modernism, religious liberty, ecumenism..and lots of heresies, and even believes in aliens.LOLS .,,its not conspiracies, its already proven,,,

why would you say that a sede vacante cant exists?

[maddox_pitt]

latin mass is the passion of Christ, the devil is afraid of the latin mass, mao nang gahimo siya ug new mass kay hadlok man siya sa latin...mura ba claro kaayo ang duwa sa panuway ba!

afraid of Latin mass? what's the diff? the "devil" can also speak several languages, can't he? what makes the Latin mass more powerful?

[The_Child]

vatican 2 is an evil sect they teaches masonic doctrine, such as modernism, religious liberty, ecumenism..and lots of heresies, and even believes in aliens.LOLS .,,its not conspiracies, its already proven,,,

why would you say that a sede vacante cant exists?

first clarify,
what do you mean by 'masonic' doctrines, the doctrines promulgated by who? Leadbeater? Blavatsky? Pike? even Hermes Trismegistus ? or just a recycling of indian thought in the current times?

what do you mean by modernism? the movement in art - picasso et al? the movement in architecture - bauhaus? the movement in philosophy - Descartes? suffice to say, modernism in art, architecture, philo among other have been superseded by a new age called postmodernism. Dada, Jencks, Derrida. So what do you mean 'modernism'? as far as we are concerned, these are no longer modern times, these are postmodern times.

religious liberty? what do you mean by religious liberty? the liberty to choose one's religion? if the church is does not possess religious liberty then does that mean that all the faithful are imprisoned?


and what are all its connection to the label "vatican 2 is an evil sect" ?


'its not conspiracies its already proven'

so before you open your mouth, be critical. what the world needs now for the new year is less impertinence and more critical modesty. and maybe we might actually progress as a race.

[bungot25]

afraid of Latin mass? what's the diff? the "devil" can also speak several languages, can't he? what makes the Latin mass more powerful?

the latin mass is the true sacrifice of GOD, it is powerful coz it is only the true mass that existed in a thousand years,, the new mass is invalid coz it contradicted the dogma.

[bungot25]

first clarify,
what do you mean by 'masonic' doctrines, the doctrines promulgated by who? Leadbeater? Blavatsky? Pike? even Hermes Trismegistus ? or just a recycling of indian thought in the current times?

what do you mean by modernism? the movement in art - picasso et al? the movement in architecture - bauhaus? the movement in philosophy - Descartes? suffice to say, modernism in art, architecture, philo among other have been superseded by a new age called postmodernism. Dada, Jencks, Derrida. So what do you mean 'modernism'? as far as we are concerned, these are no longer modern times, these are postmodern times.

religious liberty? what do you mean by religious liberty? the liberty to choose one's religion? if the church is does not possess religious liberty then does that mean that all the faithful are imprisoned?


and what are all its connection to the label "vatican 2 is an evil sect" ?


'its not conspiracies its already proven'

so before you open your mouth, be critical. what the world needs now for the new year is less impertinence and more critical modesty. and maybe we might actually progress as a race.

i think you dont know what im talking about! vatican 2 contradicts the dogma that was promulgated on the previous council, its supposed to coincide with vatican 1.. dont you think religious liberty is not a doctrine of all masons? how could you deny it? by the way do you have any idea what a dogma is?? you are basing yourself as critical thinker, and you dont follow any dogma! i think your blindness reflects on you! you cant even detect which is right or wrong...

[maddox_pitt]

the latin mass is the true sacrifice of GOD, it is powerful coz it is only the true mass that existed in a thousand years,, the new mass is invalid coz it contradicted the dogma.

i dunno about the Vatican II or the intentions of changing the mass to our vernacular, but i think they changed it because not everyone can understand Latin..i for one, can't understand Latin... how can i understand what's going on in a mass if i don't even know how to speak the language??
but if that were true, boy, we really should shift it back to the original Latin Mass.. i haven't been to one... i hope i can attend one so i'd know the diff... i mean so i'll personally experience its "power"...

[Alramzz]

kalma lang. you took my question the wrong way. Let's review ...

LightBearer: I think what the Vatican 2 is doing is, She is re-directing the course of the church to fit the coming changes of the future, which is now and the coming years. She is expanding her arms and re-expressing the essence of Universalism and Love based on the teachings of the Catholic church.

Alramzz: Yes, Re-directing the course of the church to destruction,. but as Jesus said on Matthew 16:18..that is why many Catholic and True priest have its Faith to bring back the traditional mass which satan been trying invalidate,.


...you are implying that priests that celebrates non-traditional mass are heretics and therefore their church is not the true church of Jesus.

mao ng in my previous post I asked you this question...what's in the traditional mass that makes the church the true church of Jesus?

its just that there is invalid priest,. just dig your search from here,. then the Vatican II and the novus ordo mass replacing the traditional mass,. change you logic bro, im not near in my mind that i could imply "you are implying that priests that celebrates non-traditional mass are heretics and therefore their church is not the true church of Jesus."


[QUOTE=LightBearer;6250575]kalma lang. you took my question the wrong way. Let's review ...
[B]

yah im calm,. your into the new mass and im in the traditional mass,. i know the new mass very well "kay mao na ako ge kamulatan na",. but however, i seek the traditional mass,. you grasp the novus ordo mass i respect you with that, and never near in my mind its heresy my brother. you must be hurt when i said it lead the church to destruction but it truly is,. then you come up with the typical debate question,. the if ifs then whos ryt in wrong,. rather i tell you search for this and that,.

[LightBearer]

the world is changing and Paul VI saw it coming, mas nindot na ang Vatican 2 kay mas mo fit siya sa changes sa kalibotan.

[The_Child]

i think you dont know what im talking about! vatican 2 contradicts the dogma that was promulgated on the previous council, its supposed to coincide with vatican 1.. dont you think religious liberty is not a doctrine of all masons? how could you deny it? by the way do you have any idea what a dogma is?? you are basing yourself as critical thinker, and you dont follow any dogma! i think your blindness reflects on you! you cant even detect which is right or wrong...

in what way does vatican 2 contradicts vatican 1? how can i deny what, if you did not in anyway qualify your statements in the beginning?

"this is evil " "this is masonic" "this is contradictory" and what have you. you could exhaust all those phrase but will prove nothing except your own impertinence on the subject. your half-thinking will lead you nowhere.

[bungot25]

in what way does vatican 2 contradicts vatican 1? how can i deny what, if you did not in anyway qualify your statements in the beginning?

"this is evil " "this is masonic" "this is contradictory" and what have you. you could exhaust all those phrase but will prove nothing except your own impertinence on the subject. your half-thinking will lead you nowhere.

Religious Liberty (Dignitatis Humane - Declaration on Religious Liberty) --- that is heresy, condemned!

do i need to define that one? Go figure sir, you are smarter than me... i aint your teacher!

Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio - The Decree on Ecumenism) ---instead of converting non catholic religions, they want us to commune with false religion...that is condemned!

vatican 1 does not make any counter-syllabus teachings,only vatican 2!

how am I going to explain it to you? its just too simple to figure that out! if you dont understand?ask your NOVOS ORDO priest or read the documents..

Modernism (Sacrosanctum Concilium - Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)----condemned!

they change the latin mass into vernacular, which still contradicted the dogma! you cant deny it! even the
novos ordo defenders cant even defend it!

dont be so phony defending the Novos Ordo religion....if you still deny it? then you are a heretic!