MERGED: Modern Education, Literacy and English Proficiency

[Brian1d]

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ha ha ha... you don't know me buddy. Don't try to ascertain my thoughts on the world or my personality from one glib post.

[Brian1d]

(But... to not be a Jerk about it, I will explain myself)

I lived in Japan 3 years. I have Japanese friends who are realy cool people. But, relative to black gansters these hip hop fans think are so cool, yes, most Japanese are rich. Also, on average, Japanese girls are not very clued in to the sources of the fashions they obsess over, which in my eyes, makes them idiots, both for obsessing, and for not knowing much about what they are obsessiong about).

[vern]

ha ha ha... you don't know me buddy. Don't try to ascertain my thoughts on the world or my personality from one glib post.

Nor would I dare assume that I know you. You have your posts, and I have mine. Your posts reflect on you. Don't flatter yourself by even thinking that I would try to attack you personally.

Also, on average, Japanese girls are not very clued in to the sources of the fashions they obsess over, which in my eyes, makes them idiots, both for obsessing, and for not knowing much about what they are obsessiong about)

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And you must have first hand account on how and why they should be obsessing about? This is on par with the thinking that English should be spoken in a certain way for it to be English.

This reminds me of a commercial I saw last night where this uptight jerk was bitching at a Mexican worker in the US, and finally said ... "to be American, you have to speak American". Everyone just looked at him with disgust.

[Brian1d]

Vern, you said, "That pretty much sums up how you think the Japanese should act". To me, that pretty much means that you are claiming to know how I think. Then you suggest that I am "flattering" myself, which is also to imply that you know my thought processes. You did not simply point out a flaw in my post, you attempted to point out flaws in me.

Or... maybe I am making the mistakes in perception. I often do.

[Brian1d]

And you must have first hand account on how and why they should be obsessing about? This is on par with the thinking that English should be spoken in a certain way for it to be English.

I fail to see how the two are related.

For the first part, I'm sure I have more understanding of Japanese femails than your average person on these boards, giving my opinion more validity than most. It is however, just an opinion of generalized behavior and not indicator of specific behaviors.

For the second part, did I ever and say that English should be spoken in a certain way? Please demonstrate that.

[vern]

If it looks like shit, smells like shit, tastes like shit ... it must be shit. Do you not see the disgusting generalizations in your post? Drink miso soup and eat your rice balls? Thats as disgusting asking Filipinos if they lived in trees. I don't need to know you ... your very nature spills forth through posts.

Or... maybe I am making the mistakes in perception. I often do.

Apparently eh?

I fail to see how the two are related.

Like you said ... "Or... maybe I am making the mistakes in perception. I often do."

For the first part, I'm sure I have more understanding of Japanese femails than your average person on these boards, giving my opinion more validity than most. It is however, just an opinion of generalized behavior and not indicator of specific behaviors.

That isn't very apparent considering you generalize them like you haven't met them.

For the second part, did I ever and say that English should be spoken in a certain way? Please demonstrate that.

That was used for comparison so at the very least this discussion has some tie-in with the topic itself ... obviously you didn't understand the comparison between the two which makes it senseless to even continue this discussion with you.

[Brian1d]

If it looks like s**t, smells like s**t, tastes like s**t ... it must be s**t. Do you not see the disgusting generalizations in your post? Drink miso soup and eat your rice balls? Thats as disgusting asking Filipinos if they lived in trees. I don't need to know you ... your very nature spills forth through posts.

Excuse me? I challenge you to find me more than 1% of Japanese living in Japan who do NOT drink miso soup and eat a rice ball at least once a month. Now I challenge you to find 1% of Filippinos who live in trees. Not only that, but there is nothing wrong with miso soup or rice balls. I like them both. I had miso soup with daikon for dinner last night. There is something odd and degrading in the suggestion that someone lives in a tree.

My statement: True, and not degrading.
Your comparison: Not true, and degrading.

Man, you need to think before you debate.

[vern]

Excuse me? I challenge you to find me more than 1% of Japanese living in Japan who do NOT drink miso soup and eat a rice ball at least once a month. Now I challenge you to find 1% of Filippinos who live in trees. Not only that, but there is nothing wrong with miso soup or rice balls. I like them both. I had miso soup with daikon for dinner last night. There is something odd and degrading in the suggestion that someone lives in a tree.

And put what you have said in context. A generalization doesn't have to be degrading ... not at all ... it is a sign of ignorance or just plain stupidity. Someone who has lived in Japan for years should know better.

look you rich japanese idiot, drink som miso soup, eat a rice ball, and WAKE UP

Generalization.

Do Filipinos live in trees?

Generalization.

Man, you need to think before you post.

[Brian1d]

(darn browser keeps causing double posts)

Well I'm done with this debate. Only the audience can decide who won.

Until next time...

[vern]

Second, they are two completely different kinds of generalizations.

I don't have to give up. You just proved my point. Two completely different kinds of generalizations, but generalizations nonetheless.

Thank you, come again.