If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[kebot]

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Wow i find this thread very interesting and yet kind in thier words lets keep this up.

Ok the people you presented like Hitler kill people. Is he justified? Christians being feed t the Lions is it Justified? Brad do you guys believe in Justice? Ok check this out. Presidents Swear to God, Court of Laws Swear to God you remember this line "SO HELP ME GOD". Why are this very pillars of our society acknowledge God? Are they less intelligent?

Yes I strongly agree with conscience tells you right or wrong? it is written "IT IS WRITTEN IN THE HEARTS OF MEN". But conscience alone is decieving sometimes it feels right when it is wrong. Let me site an example. We all know about euthanism or mercy killings right? Is it right or wrong? what ever it is my point is it is right to some but wrong to some. We need a solid written laws what is RIGHT? right? If that justifies you to kill then laws will become dangerous to us. Why? because people will try to abuse its power.

I am not discussing Bible here sorry for a few lines. But Written Laws of men Failed. The whole country of Germany said it was the failure of Democracy. How come such millions of People Failed to see It is WRONG. Does it mean they are less intelligent? I don't think so, in fact many of the Great Scientist comes from Germany...

[munzter666]

Things to ponder about social benefit.

In the second world war. Germany was Governed by 1 man Adolf Hitler (I donot know if he is evil in your eyes.). He ordered to execution of 4Million(hope i am right) JEWS because they are APE, low class and the source of Abomination. In thier times woa it was so right to kill a Jew Person its almost a trophy. Does this sound Right or Wrong? No need to reply just keep your answers to yourselves.

And yea Hitler Benefited the Morals. He controlled the German People.

you seem to forget the methods he USED to achieve such things. here's a clue for the clueless: "gott mit uns" (god with us)
killing jews to him was doing god's bidding for killing the allegedly god's baby boy JC.

as what bodie said:

Hitler was so charismatic, the people believed that what they were doing was right.

Also, hitler used religion a lot. He used religion to reinforce his belief that the aryan race was superior. The "superiority" of the aryan race was used justification of their acts and indirectly lead to the extermination of millions of people.

reflect on the NOW:

the aryan race/ white power supremacist group/ neo-nazis....they all use the same bible you guys use.
heck, even the KKK is religiously backed up. so were the confederate's pro-slavery modus...these guys used biblical verses to support their cause....which is of GOD.

[munzter666]

Secular morality is one not necessarily something founded on a religion. For example, there is what social scientists call the Social Contract Theory. Accordingly, the notion of what is right or wrong is defined by societies and from which, the same is entrusted to authorities for enforcement.

In other words, a society's morality can be defined thru the establishment of political institutions to determine common interest (laws and edicts) for the state to perpetuate rather than by religious persuasion or a belief of a god.

Usually, the will and pleasure of its constituents govern the morality of a society.

ditto on the social contract.

[15% Discount]

@ kebot ..... If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?



Satan rules this world

[Egoist]

from the novel of dostoevsky-the brothers karamazov- everything is permitted if god does not exist.

[kebot]

you seem to forget the methods he USED to achieve such things. here's a clue for the clueless: "gott mit uns" (god with us)
killing jews to him was doing god's bidding for killing the allegedly god's baby boy JC.

as what bodie said:


reflect on the NOW:

the aryan race/ white power supremacist group/ neo-nazis....they all use the same bible you guys use.
heck, even the KKK is religiously backed up. so were the confederate's pro-slavery modus...these guys used biblical verses to support their cause....which is of GOD.

Well it is just a proof the the BIBLE you said is powerful. People used it for different reason and people believe. You see there is nothing wrong with the intention of the Bible I hope you agree. Its the people who used it to thier advantage. Let me repeat again. For Athiest how do you know its Right or Wrong.

[tarpolano]

Right or Wrong is based on society, we make rules so that we can co-exist. It's basically if you think that when done to you will do you wrong then you will not do that to others. As an example, surely you don't want to get killed or murdered right? so we can agree that we don't kill each other.

[Evening Spark]

Right & wrong comes after our first parents transgressed the law in Eden.
As I said before, if there's no God it's neither right nor wrong will govern since
there's no creation of any kind (except for matter and intelligence).

All things are unorganized if there's no God.

[kebot]

Right or Wrong is based on society, we make rules so that we can co-exist. It's basically if you think that when done to you will do you wrong then you will not do that to others. As an example, surely you don't want to get killed or murdered right? so we can agree that we don't kill each other.

"Right or Wrong is based on society, we make rules so that we can co-exist". This contradicts brad in history. Hitler or the Germans Didnt work out For them during the second world war. May unta dili mga pinoy e sunod... patay....

[geoman07]

c saint padro no joke my pt said he saw saint padro b4 he saw jessus. but jessus did not accept him he went bact to life