SWS, Pulse Asia, and other surveys

[æRLO]

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wait 'til the surveys will say the number of poor Filipinos increased, these conspiracy theorists will suddenly change tune.

OT-...or when poverty in the Philippines decreases because they decided to change the definition of "poor".

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/105955/...magic%E2%80%99

[mlhl@7]

Just out of curiosity, has any of you istoryans ever been 'surveyed' by these groups? Can you say something about how these were done?

I find the results of these surveys dubious, specially if they claim it is a national survey. For instance, I find it difficult to believe the president's recent trust and approval rating for instance of 74 and 72%, respectively.

What's your take on this?

Fyi.. below is the sample survey background it is up to you to analyze and understand about statistics. Do not focus on the result, check how much is the sample error margin ug kung asa pud cya gi survey.

Usually man gud we react on magnified information, labi nag ga depende rata sa newspaper ug TV news.

Sample...
Survey Background

The September 2011 Social Weather Survey was conducted from September 4-7, 2011 using face-to-face interviews of 1,200 adults in Metro Manila, the Balance of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao (sampling error margins of ±3% for national percentages, ±6% for area percentages).

[mlhl@7]

out of billions of filipinos ALL AROUND THE GLOBE, 1000 ra ilang nasurvey? LOL

tabla raman ni sa. .

Pambansang bayani na si cory aquino kay iyang na.lead ang 2% sa whole population sa pinoy diri sa country sa EDSA.. BINUGO sturyaha!

hehehe... Wala pa siguro ka naka sugat ug statistic, and please do not act like expert.

You only need this "n" to present this "N", mao nang naay sample error margin.

[mlhl@7]

Kaning SWS ug Pulse Asia they are doing their job correctly kaso lang kaning taga media sayop ang pag relay sa information.

Remember that survey is a form of data collection in statistics, and statistic is defined as a type of mathematical analysis involving the use of quantified representations, models and summaries for a given set of empirical data or real world observations. Statistical analysis involves the process of collecting and analyzing data and then summarizing the data into a numerical.

before mo question sa result sa survey tuki.a sa.. all the information are available in SWS and pulse asia website.

[eezychair]

Fyi.. below is the sample survey background it is up to you to analyze and understand about statistics. Do not focus on the result, check how much is the sample error margin ug kung asa pud cya gi survey.

Usually man gud we react on magnified information, labi nag ga depende rata sa newspaper ug TV news.

Sample...
Survey Background

The September 2011 Social Weather Survey was conducted from September 4-7, 2011 using face-to-face interviews of 1,200 adults in Metro Manila, the Balance of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao (sampling error margins of ±3% for national percentages, ±6% for area percentages).

you said so yourself, that the media 'sayop ang pag.relay sa information'. and so, i'm supposed to believe this without question as they are 'relayed through the media'. I'm not a statistic's person, but I do ask questions to be enlightened.

anyway, anybody there who has had this face-to-face interviews with the SWS as stated above? we'd like to hear from you...

[peewee_toot]

Fyi.. below is the sample survey background it is up to you to analyze and understand about statistics. Do not focus on the result, check how much is the sample error margin ug kung asa pud cya gi survey.

Usually man gud we react on magnified information, labi nag ga depende rata sa newspaper ug TV news.

Sample...
Survey Background

The September 2011 Social Weather Survey was conducted from September 4-7, 2011 using face-to-face interviews of 1,200 adults in Metro Manila, the Balance of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao (sampling error margins of ±3% for national percentages, ±6% for area percentages).

naa ba kahay istoryan nga na-interview? share your experience naman...

[æRLO]

Fyi.. below is the sample survey background it is up to you to analyze and understand about statistics. Do not focus on the result, check how much is the sample error margin ug kung asa pud cya gi survey.

Usually man gud we react on magnified information, labi nag ga depende rata sa newspaper ug TV news.

Sample...
Survey Background

The September 2011 Social Weather Survey was conducted from September 4-7, 2011 using face-to-face interviews of 1,200 adults in Metro Manila, the Balance of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao (sampling error margins of ±3% for national percentages, ±6% for area percentages).

So you're saying a sample size of 1,200 adults is representative of the 60+ million registered voters in the Philippines? And the sampling error margins is ONLY ±3%? They leave out a lot about how their surveys are conducted for a legitimate surveying institution.

Isn't it also strange that the media and the palace never or rarely make a peep about the other SWS releases? Most of what is trumpeted are either approval ratings or the good news.

[estor_boot]

OT-...or when poverty in the Philippines decreases because they decided to change the definition of "poor".

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/105955/...magic%E2%80%99

dili na man na bag-o ang change of definition.
tan-awa ni ai, involving SWS pero kinsa nga administration ang naka pogi points?
this was in 2009.

Another government cover-up to hide the truth about the number of unemployed Filipinos.
IF NSO is to be believed, the percentage of unemployed FIlipino are only 6.8% or roughly 2.5million;
then again those figures are based on the governments new definition of the word unemployed means. But based on the actual survey conducted by SWS survey; and using the traditonal meaning of unemployed, their are over 27.9% or roughly 11million are unemployed.

Read below as reported by Philippines business world;

Over a quarter unemployed
Hunger also higher among affected families — SWS

OVER A QUARTER of the adult labor force are unemployed and hunger as a consequence is higher among their families, a new Social Weather Stations (SWS) survey showed.

The results, made exclusive to BusinessWorld, point to some 11 million Filipinos — 27.9% of the work force — as jobless as of December. While better than September’s 30.9%, the SWS said unemployment basically remained above 20% since May 2005.

The independent survey research institution’s tally compares with the official unemployment rate of 6.8% as of October — equivalent to 2.53 million Filipinos — based on the National Statistics Office’s (NSO) quarterly Labor Force survey. The SWS uses the traditional definition of unemployment — those not working and at the same time looking for work — and classes adults as those at least 18 years old.

The government, on the other hand, includes those 15 years old onward and in April 2005 dropped the traditional definition in favor of the "availability of work" concept.

This means the NSO’s count excludes those without work but are not currently available despite wanting to work, and adds those without jobs, are available, but are not seeking work due to either tiredness/belief that no work is available; awaiting results of a job application; temporary illness/disability; bad weather; or waiting for rehire/recall.
Using the official definition, the SWS said its unemployment figure for adults 18 years old and above would be 22.3%.

"It is lower than when computed using the traditional definition because the correction for those looking for work but ’not truly available’ is much larger than the correction for those ’actually available’ though not looking for work at the moment," it said.

The SWS also tied joblessness to hunger, saying "Unemployment raises the vulnerability of families...".
It said 31.4% among families of the unemployed experienced "total hunger" or involuntary hunger at least once in the past three months, compared to 29.2% among families of private employees, 19.7% among families of the self-employed, and 12.7% among families of government employees.
"Severe hunger", referring to those who experienced involuntary hunger "often" or "always" in the last three months, was 7.6% among the unemployed and private employees, 2.6% among the self-employed, and also 2.6% among government employees.
"Moderate hunger" — experiencing it "only once" or "a few times" in the last three months — was 23.8% among the unemployed, 21.6% among private employees, 17.1% among the self-employed, and 10.1% among government employees.

The fourth quarter SWS survey polled 1,500 adults in Metro Manila using face-to-face interviews. Sampling error margins used were plus or minus 2.5% for national percentages, plus or minus 6% for Metro Manila, the Visayas and Mindanao, and plus or minus 4% for the Balance of Luzon.
Asked to comment, University of the Philippines School of Labor and Industrial Relations professor Rene E. Ofreneo said the 27.9% unemployment rate was very high.
"It’s over one-fifth of the labor force ... it’s really a cause for concern. The challenge to the government in light of the crisis is to provide jobs for those displaced but also for those entering the labor force every year, that’s about one million," he said.
Employment opportunities should also be given to those who were jobless even before the crisis, he said, adding "It’s also important to provide quality jobs."
He said data from the Employers Confederation of the Philippines showed the informal economy accounted for some 70% of the labor force comnpared to government data which point to just 45% being informally employed.
"Somewhere between that ... let’s say 50%, are definitely in the informal economy," he said.
Alvin P. Ang, University of Santo Tomas economist, said the results of the latest SWS survey were "alarming".
"It’s most probably true because of the global economic situation. The government has very limited fiscal capacity. But I think it won’t be solved by the government alone, the private sector should help," he said. — from a report by Bernardette S. Sto. Domingo

Nag usab naman sila ug meaning, murah ang sunod usbon ani word napud sa "Poor" cguro.
pagka faet ning gobyernoha..!!

https://www.istorya.net/forums/politi...ilippines.html

[PaYaSo]

out of billions of filipinos ALL AROUND THE GLOBE, 1000 ra ilang nasurvey? LOL

tabla raman ni sa. .

Pambansang bayani na si cory aquino kay iyang na.lead ang 2% sa whole population sa pinoy diri sa country sa EDSA.. BINUGO sturyaha!

OT
are we more populated than China?
or maybe you have included those tiny things that are still hanging on us men.

they could have at least make a survey here in cebu. pra patas.

[eezychair]

SWS and Pulse Asia polling firms owned by relatives and friends of Noynoy Aquino

http://antipinoy.com/sws-and-pulse-a...nd-friends-of/

Here's an excerpt:

Interlocking directorship within two polling firms

The SWS was founded in 1986 by Dr. Mahar Mangahas, Prof. Felipe Miranda, then DPWH Sec. Jose P. de Jesus (under President Cory Aquino), Mercy Abad among others while Pulse Asia was founded in the 90s when Prof. Felipe Miranda separated from Mangahas and bolted SWS. It should be noted that Managhas is the cousin of the late presidential candidate Fernando Poe, Jr while some of the prominent members of the board and stockholders of the Pulse Asia are blood relatives of Sen. Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III, official candidate for the president of the Liberal Party. The corporate records of both firms that are available at the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) will also show interlocking directorship with several personalities appearing as stockholders of both SWS and Pulse Asia.

Felipe Mirand, Rosalinda T. Miranda, Gemino H. Abad, Mercedes R. Abad, Jose P. de Jesus appear in SEC records as being founders and or stockholders of both SWS and Pulse Asia.

Mercedes R. Abad who is president of TRENDS-MBL, is the one who used to conduct the field research for both SWS and Pulse Asia.

Jose P. de Jesus of Pulse Asia was the DPWH Secretary during the time of the late President Cory Aquino.

Antonio O. Conjuangco and Rafael Conjuangco Lopa of Pulse Asia are cousins of Benigno Simeon “Noynoy” Conjuangco Aquino III

and another:

What else can we make of this information? Not much except the fact that now we know that these polling firms are so closely linked to the candidate who is now leading the polls. Since these polling firms do not divulge the types of questions they provide or how they conduct their surveys, no one really knows for sure how they come up with the numbers that they publish. It seems to me that there is a lot of secrecy in how they arrive at the conclusion of Noynoy being at the top. Another important question is, since the directors of the said firms are either friends or relations of Noynoy, are they conducting these surveys pro-bono?

Selection of the respondents may be scientific enough to represent the general population. But NOT divulging the types of questions they provide (they could be leading) really makes one wonder on the accuracy of the results.

This is no conspiracy theory. This is why I ask if there is any istoryan out there who may have been part of any of their survey to please enlighten us on your experience to remove these doubts.