"Truth" about Islam from an ex-Muslim

[McVos]

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@McVos(from now on I will no longer call you brother that’s from you ,not from us), don’t go around and make a lengthy discussion in this thread trying hard to discredit the authenticity of the Qur’an, for once and until the end of the world the Qur’an prove its worth, it was able to change people and nation into a humane and civilized society , that is history, it was made operational laws in more than 50 countries in the world. Scientific Revelations in the Qur’an were confirmed by science and that’s a fact. If you mean that the bible is not concern about laws in governmental functions then it does not serve its purpose. Islam with all its glory covers the whole aspects of man’s life and to the Muslims it is the Moral Force on earth. God does not leave His people disorganize and in total confusion that’s why he sent Prophets and Messengers with revelations to guide them. Islam has more to offer to humanity and what’s yours. You are a typical Christian missionary determine to sow confusion from among yourselves not the Muslims, because as I have said, we have the TRUTH. And don’t let me spell the truth in your bible for I’m not going to do it here to avoid resentments from among Christians for once in my life I was a Christian too, any sincere Christians will go to that links that I have been given in my previous post.

Sure don't call me brother,I don't want to be the cause of your sin. Call me Kuffar instead. I can do whatever I want here as long as I'm walking w/in the bounds provided by the administration. My issue is not on the moral provisions found in your Book. If you look closer.. my contention is-the qur'an is not the word of God. Any great man can write a book about morality and effect change on the lives of people and of a nation. Take Confucius as an example.

Again,your qur'an espouses a sun circling around the earth, not very scientific. I don't need your marketing skills here, lay your evidence properly. You said its the truth but where is the evidence? A mere proclamation of semantics won't help prove your point.

I will leave you this challenge, a revelation from the Qur’an as a Christian;

From those too who call themselves Christians We did take a Covenant but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent them: so We estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. Qur’an 5:14

I doubt if you can disprove this, because records shows more and more Christians denominations sprung up from just one bible with many versions and everyone is claiming to have the truth. Take note, you can never reconcile your differences until the Day of Judgment.

I cannot disprove it cos first of all the bible speaks about it, the of falling away of the believers. Many will be deceived and false teachers propagating false gospels. Even before Muhammad wrote it down in the Qr'an the God of the Christians have already spoke about it. I guess Muhammad got the idea from the bible.

And what about Islam? you have groups like Ahmadiyya,Shia,Sunni,Wahabi,salafi,Sufi etc... each group even has sub-groups.

I don’t have to defend Islam in any attacks from non-Muslims, all I have to do is to share what I know for Allah(may He be glorified) reveals in the Qur’an;

ow sorry I though you are here to defend Islam. So what are you doing posting statements for Islam and blocking the critics' spears making sure that Islam would come out victorious? I think I know now what you are doing here, its this...when evidence is asked just pretend you're not here to defend Islam.

Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected even though the unbelievers may detest (it). It is He who hath sent His apostle with guidance and religion of truth to proclaim it over all religions even though the pagans may detest (it). Qur’an 9:32-33

Proof to this is more and more people embrace Islam not just here in the Philippines but around the world, it is not a phenomena but a revelation from God. And Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world

numbers don't mean anything, if you were to ask me, i'll say more and more people are deceived. Read this...

235% Growth rate? Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world[/url]

Dong, when you say, There is only ONE GOD I agree with you because that is the TRUTH, but when you say GOD is THREE in ONE then I will say to you, YOU ARE LOST! Because that is illogical and cannot be accepted in whatever logical thoughts you think you have.

who says that God is THREE IN ONE? tsk tsk..this is a straw man's argument. I think the qur'an is responsible for making that false claim. Jesus,Mary,God this is the Qur'an's version of trinity not from the bible. What the qur'an is pointing as false trinity is Jesus,Mary,God and not the biblical trinity. Therefore in that case the qur'an is correct because Christians have never advocated such type of trinity.

ah so you wan't to put God in a box? Can you provide a logical explanation of God? no one in his right mind can give a perfect and logical description of who or what God is, and i bet you too can't give a logical explanation of who Allah is.

TRUTH is SIMPLE if it is NOT SIMPLE it is NOT TRUTH!

Debates and disputes will lead us to nothing; any sincere seekers of truth will know who speak the truth;


So if they dispute with thee say: "I have submitted my whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the people of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do they are in right guidance but if they turn back thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah's sight are (all) His servants. Qur’an 3:20

yeah truth is simple I agree, but the qur'an complicated it by missing the proper concept of the Godhead.

ow so you are not here to debate? if that's the case then im giving you into the hands of the most ruthless critics of religion they are the iStoryan Wolves.
sige dong ari sa ko ha. pasagdan nalang sa ka nako. i thought gud makig debate ka hehe.

[JcBoY]

Sure don't call me brother,I don't want to be the cause of your sin. Call me Kuffar instead. I can do whatever I want here as long as I'm walking w/in the bounds provided by the administration. My issue is not on the moral provisions found in your Book. If you look closer.. my contention is-the qur'an is not the word of God. Any great man can write a book about morality and effect change on the lives of people and of a nation. Take Confucius as an example.

By calling non-Muslim a brother or sister is not a sin in Islam, ayaw pataka ug pasangil ana kay wala na gitudlo sa Islam basin sa inyo siguro naay discrimination, aw anad na man gyud siguro mo ug pamasangil kay inyo na man nang sakit, it is clear in the Qur’an;

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Qur’an 49:13

See, klaro kaayo na! Unless otherwise you believe in Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution that man evolve from apes(gusto ka sa unggoy ka gikan?).


Your contention that the Qur’an is not the word of God then you bear the proof of that allegation, as I’ve said the Qur’an has already proved its worth. And by the way, ang Qur’an di namo na gipamaligya ha di sama sa biblia nga gipangwarta na ug di sab na makabuang ang Qur’an kon imo na basahon di sama sa biblia nga ang mga mobasa moangkon na nga sila propeta ug swertehon kon motuyok na gyud ang utok moangkon na nga ginoo na siya. Yes any great man can write a book about morality and effect change on the lives of people but I still have yet to see it being used as the law of the land.

As to your claimed that:

Again,your qur'an espouses a sun circling around the earth, not very scientific. I don't need your marketing skills here, lay your evidence properly. You said its the truth but where is the evidence? A mere proclamation of semantics won't help prove your point.

The verse that you point:
“It is He Who created the Night and the Day and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along each in its rounded course.” Qur’an 21:33

In the verse that you quote
"(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (21:33)

Giunsa man diay nimo na pagsabot, naa ba kay nabasa diha nga ang adlaw nagtuyok sa kalibotan? Inyo man nang astronomical account nga kataw-anan gani inyo man gi-excommunicate (sounds familiar in the Philippine current event isn’t it, jk only) ug namatay intawon sa prisohan si Galileo nga mi-contradict ana! Pataka na man lang ka ug yawit oi! Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion, ka-klaro ana!. Bisan pa man ana dodong nga di ko authority sa astronomy nga mo-confirm ana nga Qur’anic account diay mo-confirm ana authority gyud!
See the link:
Does the Sun move around the Milky Way??
and the illustration:
YouTube - Miracles of Quran 3 of 8 - "Orbits"


From those too who call themselves Christians We did take a Covenant but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent them: so We estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. Qur’an 5:14

You said:

I cannot disprove it cos first of all the bible speaks about it, the of falling away of the believers. Many will be deceived and false teachers propagating false gospels. Even before Muhammad wrote it down in the Qr'an the God of the Christians have already spoke about it. I guess Muhammad got the idea from the bible.

Then it is a proof that Christianity is not true, kon usa ray mensahe anang biblia nganong dili man nuon mo magkahiusa naay motuo ug Usa ra ka ginoo unya naa pud motuo sa 3 in 1 like you. Again pataka na pud ka ug yawit anang “I guess Muhammad got the idea from the bible” mao nang di gyud mo ka-g anang inyong 3 n 1. Giunsa man ni Propeta Muhammad(kalinaw ug panalangin sa Allah maana kaniya) dodong anang imong pasangil nga in the first place: No read, No write man intawon to siya adtong panahona and he only receive oral revelations through Angel Gabriel secondly an Arabic version of the bible appeared only after few hundred years after his death.

And what about Islam? you have groups like Ahmadiyya,Shia,Sunni,Wahabi,salafi,Sufi etc... each group even has sub-groups.

Ikaw ra gyud nag-libog2x ana dodong kay wa man tawon mi maglibog kinsa amo ampoan ug si kinsa pud amo propeta. The fact ana dodong, every year naa mi gitawag ug Hajj(pilgrimage) to Makkah, Saudi Arabia, magtapok ang mga Muslims didto wa gyud na problemaha nang imong gi-yawit!

Again on the account that many people embrace Islam you said;

numbers don't mean anything, if you were to ask me, i'll say more and more people are deceived.

See how you master deception, ngano man gi-bugoan naka sa mga pari, mga madre, mga pastor, mga engineers, mga doctor, mga abogado, mga magbabalaod, mga scientists, mga atheists ug daghan pa nga na-Muslim! Sakit di ba kon biyaan na ta! Anyway pabilin lang diha kay asa pa man ka anang 3 in 1 nga ginoo nimo.

You said

Read this...

Originally Posted by [B]The Islamic religion has a long history of myth making. The claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world is pure myth. We have collected the latest statistics from David A. Barrett’s huge two volume, "World Christian Encyclopedia", the 2001 AD edition. In case you haven’t heard of this work, it is the world standard for religious statistics.

Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. Muslims always leave off the 50 year fact to make it appear they are going 235% every year. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. Christianity has always been larger than Islam. These statistics from Readers Digest are over 20 years old. Further, we do not consider readers digest to be an authority on such matters. Why will Muslims not quote real authoritative statistics from certified research groups who show Islam is not the fastest growing religion in 3/4’s of the worlds countries. By:Brother Andrew of Bible.ca --------
235% Growth rate? Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world

Again though one sided na imong account but that cannot deny the fact nga people are coming to Islam in magnitude not like you nga gibiyaan na!

In the allegation about the trinity in the Qur’an you said and quote the 5:116

And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Ikaw lang ang nagpataka ug pasangil diha, asa man ka kabasa diha ug trinity? Hugaw lang gyud ka ug huna2x guilty man gud ka anang inyong trinity nga man made law, by hook and sinker mituo man gud ka sa 3 in 1. Kay mangutana sab ko nimo, wala diay ninyo ampo-i si Birhen Maria nga gihimo man gani na ninyong inahan sa inyong ginoo nga ingon pa sa madre nga maestra nako sa religion subject back in high school gi-underground ni Birhen Maria pagpasulod sa langit ang mga tumuloo nga bisan pa ug makasasala kay inahan lagi kuno siya way kinutubang kalooy. And by the way daghan baya nadato ana, naa sa Simala ay, hunong namo anang inyong pangilad oi!

ah so you wan't to put God in a box? Can you provide a logical explanation of God? no one in his right mind can give a perfect and logical description of who or what God is, and i bet you too can't give a logical explanation of who Allah is.

Hehehe, klaro kaayo nang teaching sa ONENESS OF GOD in Islam dodong. Ayaw baliha kamo ray naghatag ug relative description sa God nga siya nanganak, siya nahimong tawo nga ginoo sa ato pa kay nahimo man siyang tawo siya mokaon, siya mo-popo, siya matulog, siya maligo unya kay lalaki man siya sa inyong description apil siya sa kamandoan nga go to the world and multiply and sad to say mao ra nay ginoo nga nagpakamatay, unsa? Para sa inyong mga sala! Pag-sure oi!

UG KARON AKO NA SAB MANGUTANA NIMO, ANG BIBLIA BA PULONG SA DIYOS? UG KON PULONG MAN SA DIOS WALA BA KINI MGA KASUNGIAN?

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[masterjanuarius]

Ingon pa katong Pakistani nga nag attempt ug detonate ug Bomb sa Wall st., "My blood is the first drop of the muslim war against the west ..." Patay na! When will the christians stand up and be aggressive in "proclaiming love and peace"? Unya na siguro ug minority na sad, like the times of the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire? Di ni layo ... pero, my consolation? I will not be alive to experience that persecution! Luoy lang ang mabuhi! It is about time, we christians should be aggressive: proclaim the Good News of Jesus Christ to all, even to the muslims, not by converting them ... but by letting them know that there is another way to peace different from the "sword" of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be to him!

[SioDenz]

Ingon pa katong Pakistani nga nag attempt ug detonate ug Bomb sa Wall st., "My blood is the first drop of the muslim war against the west ..." Patay na! When will the christians stand up and be aggressive in "proclaiming love and peace"? Unya na siguro ug minority na sad, like the times of the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire? Di ni layo ... pero, my consolation? I will not be alive to experience that persecution! Luoy lang ang mabuhi! It is about time, we christians should be aggressive: proclaim the Good News of Jesus Christ to all, even to the muslims, not by converting them ... but by letting them know that there is another way to peace different from the "sword" of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be to him!

I read some prophesy that in the end days, Islam will wage all out war against the west to spread their belief around the world, But the west will retaliate and eliminate them once and for all. But i think our generation can no longer witness that.

[McVos]

ooops I thought defending Islam wasn't in your list of things to do in iStorya? what happened? a little bit confused eh? to defend or not to defend? hehe.

By calling non-Muslim a brother or sister is not a sin in Islam, ayaw pataka ug pasangil ana kay wala na gitudlo sa Islam basin sa inyo siguro naay discrimination, aw anad na man gyud siguro mo ug pamasangil kay inyo na man nang sakit, it is clear in the Qur’an;

A Muslim once told me that it's improper for a Muslim to greet Assalamo Alaikum to a kuffar(unbeliever) because he is not a brother. If this is true, how can you call a kuffar your brother? It sounds hypocritical calling someone a brother when your conscience tells you that he isn't. oh please don't act as if your the victim here, is that your way of asking for sympathy from the readers?

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Qur’an 49:13

See, klaro kaayo na! Unless otherwise you believe in Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution that man evolve from apes(gusto ka sa unggoy ka gikan?).

what's with this? I see no link between what we previously have discussed and this present statement you've made.

Your contention that the Qur’an is not the word of God then you bear the proof of that allegation, as I’ve said the Qur’an has already proved its worth. And by the way, ang Qur’an di namo na gipamaligya ha di sama sa biblia nga gipangwarta na ug di sab na makabuang ang Qur’an kon imo na basahon di sama sa biblia nga ang mga mobasa moangkon na nga sila propeta ug swertehon kon motuyok na gyud ang utok moangkon na nga ginoo na siya. Yes any great man can write a book about morality and effect change on the lives of people but I still have yet to see it being used as the law of the land.

I made my proof evident in my previous post and I was about to produce more till you said you are not here to debate. ano ba talaga kuya? to defend or not to defend? ooops logical fallacy detected(see the green lettered words). Actually we have free bibles distributed in different places in the world and we also have specialized bibles but this one you have to pay just like some specialized Qur'an in KSA. see the link Albanian Qur'an Translation HB (w/ Arabic) Saudi. lalalala♫♪...ayaw sigeg pamakak gud nga walay baligya nga Koran.

The verse that you point:
“It is He Who created the Night and the Day and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along each in its rounded course.” Qur’an 21:33

In the verse that you quote
"(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (21:33)

Giunsa man diay nimo na pagsabot, naa ba kay nabasa diha nga ang adlaw nagtuyok sa kalibotan? Inyo man nang astronomical account nga kataw-anan gani inyo man gi-excommunicate (sounds familiar in the Philippine current event isn’t it, jk only) ug namatay intawon sa prisohan si Galileo nga mi-contradict ana! Pataka na man lang ka ug yawit oi! Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion, ka-klaro ana!. Bisan pa man ana dodong nga di ko authority sa astronomy nga mo-confirm ana nga Qur’anic account diay mo-confirm ana authority gyud!
See the link:
Does the Sun move around the Milky Way??
and the illustration:
YouTube - Miracles of Quran 3 of 8 - "Orbits"

you are so enthusiastic, i like that. yeah but my argument does not stop in that verse alone, it was only a preview due to my lack of time at that moment. Now, are you ready for this? let me first give you different ayat and hadiths that shows how I think that the verse in question implies that the sun is orbiting around the earth.

here it is, please read it carefully:

And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit. S. 21:33

It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law). S. 36:40

By the sun and his brightness, And the moon when she followeth him ... S. 91:1-

Nowhere in those verses that mentions the Earth is floating around an orbit. Al-Biadawi gives us this explanation .. "And He cast on the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you," or least it should turn aside and be thrown out of balance. For before the mountains were created on it, the earth had been a light-weight sphere of simple substance. It floated about freely in orbit like the planets, and would advance with the slightest movement. Its sides varied in dimension when the mountains were created on its surface, and they centered it, thus serving as wedges to keep it from moving. It was also said that, when God created the earth it started to sway and swing, so that the angels said, "None can have a resting place on its surface." So it was made stationary by the mountains. (Baidawi's comments on S. 16:15 as cited in ‘Abdallah ‘Abd al-Fadi, Is the Qur'an Infallible? [Light of Life, PO BOX 13, A-9503 VILLACH, AUSTRIA], pp. 19-20)

Earth is stationary? morag nag toyok man ni atong kalibotan? Nalimot sila nga ang gravity maoy gakupot sa kalibotan og dili ang mountains hahaha. hehe. mao nay science sa Islam.

Pickthall's koran also supports this view .. read ..Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any God beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not! S. 27:61.

All these verses and words from Islamic Scholars implies a stationary earth where the sun and moon orbits around it.

here is another commentary from an Islamic Scholar .. Al-Zamakhshari remarks in his book, Al-Kash-shaf: "Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad's close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset.
Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sets?’ He answered: ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water.’" (3rd Edition, Volume 2, p. 743, 1987)

this verse implies that according to Muhammad the sun has a resting place, a weird resting place. so it begs the question, if it orbits around the galaxy why does the sun need a rest? obviously Muhammad here was watching the sun maybe while he was lying in the desert sands, and thought oh the sun is resting and it rises again. This proves again that the verse in question does not imply that the sun orbits around the galaxy but Muhammad describes it as how he views it from down here.

Actually I have more things to say but I have to stop here. let's see how you respond to this and expect more convincing arguments to come your way.

Then it is a proof that Christianity is not true, kon usa ray mensahe anang biblia nganong dili man nuon mo magkahiusa naay motuo ug Usa ra ka ginoo unya naa pud motuo sa 3 in 1 like you. Again pataka na pud ka ug yawit anang “I guess Muhammad got the idea from the bible” mao nang di gyud mo ka-g anang inyong 3 n 1. Giunsa man ni Propeta Muhammad(kalinaw ug panalangin sa Allah maana kaniya) dodong anang imong pasangil nga in the first place: No read, No write man intawon to siya adtong panahona and he only receive oral revelations through Angel Gabriel secondly an Arabic version of the bible appeared only after few hundred years after his death.

how's that? disunity is a proof that Christianity is not true? haha. As i've said previously it is due to the fact that people have different levels of intelligence therefore various interpretations is apparent but of course one must seek and discern for himself w/c one appeals more to the truth that is found in the bible. Even the tafsir and doctrines in Islam are found to have contrasting ideas, like the example of the different way of how an ahlu bayt member prays from members of the ahlu Sunnah wal jamaah. There is disunity among Muslim sects but this does not prove that Islam is not true, correct? what makes a Religion false solely depends on the integrity of its revelation that is supposedly from God. That's where we shuld look.

yeah I know that Muhammad was illiterate, but he was surrounded by his cunning sahabah.

3 in 1? hahaha. straw man's argmument. since you keep on insisting,can you please provide from the bible, verses w/c says God is 3 in 1? morag imo ra man gud ning honahona.

Ikaw ra gyud nag-libog2x ana dodong kay wa man tawon mi maglibog kinsa amo ampoan ug si kinsa pud amo propeta. The fact ana dodong, every year naa mi gitawag ug Hajj(pilgrimage) to Makkah, Saudi Arabia, magtapok ang mga Muslims didto wa gyud na problemaha nang imong gi-yawit!

that's because the eyes of the world is watching kay kong wala pa, gipamusil na sa mga wahabi ang mga shi'a. In fact Shi'a members are not allowed to pray sa grave sa propeta kay mabunalan nya og muttawa. and there is a fatwa against members of the Ahmadiyya group. Is this Unity? nah. kaming mga Christians wa man pod mi maglibog kung kinsa among gi ampoan. basin kaw naglibog that's why you left Christianity.

See how you master deception, ngano man gi-bugoan naka sa mga pari, mga madre, mga pastor, mga engineers, mga doctor, mga abogado, mga magbabalaod, mga scientists, mga atheists ug daghan pa nga na-Muslim! Sakit di ba kon biyaan na ta! Anyway pabilin lang diha kay asa pa man ka anang 3 in 1 nga ginoo nimo.

ad hominem detected. sakit ba dili man? hahaha. waman ko sakiti. if they want to leave let them, sila ra bitaw isonog sa kalayo. hehe.

Again though one sided na imong account but that cannot deny the fact nga people are coming to Islam in magnitude not like you nga gibiyaan na!

one sided? did you read the whole thing? I gave the link, you should read it. It was based on a real and trustworthy Statistic. Again did you read it? the account says that there are more conversions every year in Christianity than in Islam. hehe.

In the allegation about the trinity in the Qur’an you said and quote the 5:116

And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Ikaw lang ang nagpataka ug pasangil diha, asa man ka kabasa diha ug trinity? Hugaw lang gyud ka ug huna2x guilty man gud ka anang inyong trinity nga man made law, by hook and sinker mituo man gud ka sa 3 in 1. Kay mangutana sab ko nimo, wala diay ninyo ampo-i si Birhen Maria nga gihimo man gani na ninyong inahan sa inyong ginoo nga ingon pa sa madre nga maestra nako sa religion subject back in high school gi-underground ni Birhen Maria pagpasulod sa langit ang mga tumuloo nga bisan pa ug makasasala kay inahan lagi kuno siya way kinutubang kalooy. And by the way daghan baya nadato ana, naa sa Simala ay, hunong namo anang inyong pangilad oi!

haha. please quote the other verses, so did not the Koran instruct you to not say Three(trinity). Your Koran's version of trinity is Jesus,Mary,God. Not he biblical trinity. so in that case sakto ang Koran but at the same time it shows that allah have missed the proper concept of Christian Trinity. that proves that your allah is not omniscient and not a God and yor Qur'an is a work of muhammad. Catholics have never worship Mary as god. ooops mamahid napod og hogaw. inyo bitaw mga Imam diri sa pilipinas mga corrupt man. ang mga donations from KSA instead sa Mosque e gasto adto man padung sa ilang negosyo og para pang renovate sa ilang balay. hehe.

Hehehe, klaro kaayo nang teaching sa ONENESS OF GOD in Islam dodong. Ayaw baliha kamo ray naghatag ug relative description sa God nga siya nanganak, siya nahimong tawo nga ginoo sa ato pa kay nahimo man siyang tawo siya mokaon, siya mo-popo, siya matulog, siya maligo unya kay lalaki man siya sa inyong description apil siya sa kamandoan nga go to the world and multiply and sad to say mao ra nay ginoo nga nagpakamatay, unsa? Para sa inyong mga sala! Pag-sure oi!

UG KARON AKO NA SAB MANGUTANA NIMO, ANG BIBLIA BA PULONG SA DIYOS? UG KON PULONG MAN SA DIOS WALA BA KINI MGA KASUNGIAN?

wala may nakig lalis nimo kong pila kabook si allah pero I have some infos that suggest nga si allah mora pod diay ug trinity. But if you worship the same God why are you killing each other in the name of who is Allah's true Muslim?
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=12161
http://www.yanabi.com/forum/PrintTopic154291.aspx

of course, God can become man. He created man therefore he has the power to become like one. Eat,love,pray.. hehe. Can you give me a valid reason why God cannot become a man,can you offer any?

sure God died for us sinners. That's why our God is not like allah, our God is like also our Father. He pays for our debts. I have a question...why is it that out of the 99 names of allah wala may osa nga ga ingon didto nga Allah the Father?

oh i love to answer your question but the thread says "Islam", you are on the hot seat not me.

[analog man]

"(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (21:33)

OMG, is it the Truth?

[Kesha]

Let there be peace and not fight.... Coz' arguing can do nothing but it could lead to fighting....

[analog man]

why is it hat out of the 99 names of allah wala mayosa ngagaingon didto nga Allah the Father?

i want to hear your explanation jcboy

[McVos]

OMG, is it the Truth?

let's find out.

Let there be peace and not fight.... Coz' arguing can do nothing but it could lead to fighting....

right Kesha, but usually when Muslims preach their Religion specially the reverts, they do it at the expense of Christianity, they would attack the bible this is their modern version of Jihad. The weapon is the pen and tonque.

I heard some of them in plaza independcia before, grabe modala og Daw'ah (preaching) kay igo tanang relihiyon. dili ra ba mahadlok balikason pa ang ginoo pisot kono si sto.nino. nya mamalikas pa mag pwe pwe pa kay ang ginoo kono sa Christians kay walay polos. nya kong ma corner ni sila mag isog isog dayun mo declare dayun og jihad.

I hope kini si JcBoy is not one of them but I think he is showing signs nga kaoban ni sila.