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[kamsky]

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yeah, but how does it do that? thru powerscript?

msaccess can do that also.. declare non-visual objects thru visual basic..
it has its own sets of controls and UIs..

what does PB do that sets it apart?

Because your question is what is NVO then that's the answer of what's NVO. Nobody's saying access doesnt have NVO.

Parehas ra nang pangutanaha sa why do we need vb or <insert sophisticated tool> in db application when you can have it in access. Why do you use LAMP when you can have in MS Access? I am sure you can answer this. Answer this and probably we have the same answer with PB.

Way back on 1998, we did web development powerbuilder/with just powerscript exposed in CGI and I am sure there's more than that now. I am not sure if you
can do that in ms access without using ASP.

Ani na lang. just enumerate the limitation of msaccess and let's see we can have the solution in pb.

[MarkCuering]

Mark,

Murag nisimang man ka bro. Wala man tingali nilalis nimo sa capability sa .net. Your so overreacting. Pangutana daw sa uban basin nasayop ra ko.

You're comfortable with your tool? Fine. Just respect what others have.

abi man gud nako advantage na sad ni sa PowerBuilder... again, I just want to see clear advantages sa PB... but I'm not against to this.

[kamsky]

for convenience sake...I agree!

yes, there's money in there. Specially a very expensive programmer like you.

[kamsky]

ayaw na ni lalisa ang wikipedia, kay helpful baya kaayo ni nato:

"PowerBuilder is used commonly by companies in the financial sector, in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. It is also used by many worldwide government agencies, telcos, manufacturing, and healthcare companies. PowerBuilder is in use at thousands of organizations around the world."

PowerBuilder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bluedes]

Because your question is what is NVO then that's the answer of what's NVO. Nobody's saying access doesnt have NVO.

Parehas ra nang pangutanaha sa why do we need vb or <insert sophisticated tool> in db application when you can have it in access. Why do you use LAMP when you can have in MS Access? I am sure you can answer this. Answer this and probably we have the same answer with PB.

Way back on 1998, we did web development powerbuilder/with just powerscript exposed in CGI and I am sure there's more than that now. I am not sure if you
can do that in ms access without using ASP.

Ani na lang. just enumerate the limitation of msaccess and let's see we can have the solution in pb.

that's why i'm asking you what's the true coverage of PB.. i already told you what msaccess strictly is.. its a front-end that can basically connect with a multi-tiered database provider..

but i dont know with you about PB.. you're not clearly defining what PB strictly is..

how the heck do you do web development with PB exposed in CGI? does it natively access CGI or you course thru some dlls compiled by a low level language and use those functions to tunnel thru CGI using powerscript?

access can do that also via visual basic.. theoretically, thru COM.. hehe.. but again, it rides on other components..

but i doubt u can render PB controls in HTML, unless it really has its own way of converting PB controls thru a browser (via ajax or some java applet, which again, i'm sure with a little trick and someone really determined to integrate access with other components, can be done with a considerable amount of time)

i'm not a fan of access.. but i do use it for its capacity and i do know what it strictly covers as its own. i'm just using ms access as a benchmark on your PB..

[bluedes]

ayaw na ni lalisa ang wikipedia, kay helpful baya kaayo ni nato:

"PowerBuilder is used commonly by companies in the financial sector, in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. It is also used by many worldwide government agencies, telcos, manufacturing, and healthcare companies. PowerBuilder is in use at thousands of organizations around the world."

PowerBuilder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i see.. so PB's strength is its underlying PS..

msaccess' VBA is very limited in that aspect.. its not even normally compiled to begin with..

[MarkCuering]

Way back on 1998, we did web development powerbuilder/with just powerscript exposed in CGI

Medyo dili na sad clear para nako. exposing powerscript in CGI? you mean talking about early days like fastCGI? gi unsa ninyo pag bridged?

[MarkCuering]

Dili man gud reliable ang content sa wiki... the page was updated last 13-November-2009, so this is more likely with respect to the new upcoming powerbuilder. pero ila naman gi assume bisag beta phase pa lang.


initial release was 1991, I don't know what year na diri sa pinas na naa nay nakagamit, or existing na company na ni gamit... but you told me you use it aroud 1998. nag emerge ang internet sa pinas is around 1995, so that was 3 years after. mga company that time dili pa masyado hooked sa web applications, considering ang pinas ay belong to 3rd world countries.


Well, anyway, if you are telling that truth, I salute you for being one my seniors... because I started serious programming early 2000 na (1st year college), So I can expect 10 years gap in our career..

[kamsky]

Way back 5.0 pb can compile into native .exe so that explains everything that it can do CGI.
(Now I think it has a PB VM that function like java and .net.)

I am so sure there was no compiled DLL when we developed the powerbuilder CGI. We dont even have C/C++ programmer.
I was webdev who knows CGI, I just instructed my colleague to do print "Content-type text/html\n\n" and HTML formatted ouput and we had it.
Run the Oreilly webserver and run the Powerbuilder program that invokes SQL anywhere (small db of sybase).

Powerbuilder is capable more than just what you think (front-end). Just think of a powerbuilder is trimmed down flexibility delphi/vb and doing more with database.
If you read the link I have listed, you can distribute NVO user object in the application server. It means it's like EJB/CORBA/RMI/DCOM.

Way back Powerbuilder 6 -- it can generate code accurately and natively. If it generates C++ then you know the conclusion -- it can generate to native.

[kamsky]

Dili man gud reliable ang content sa wiki... the page was updated last 13-November-2009, so this is more likely with respect to the new upcoming powerbuilder. pero ila naman gi assume bisag beta phase pa lang.

ani na lang mark. just trust me. hehehe

internet on 1995 was matured already. in fact the cover of one of the magazine (newsweek? time?, time I forgot) was 1995 is the year of internet. 1994, there was inet already in philippine universities (USC, UP, dlsu, xu, slu, admu)