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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    It has a basis bro and the 12 zodiac signs are one that governs the heavenly bodies. I am not just posting here bro for argument's sake. Study deeper the symbolism of number 12 and you will see a lot in the scriptures!

    The number 12 is strongly associated with the heavens—the 12 months, the 12 signs of the zodiac, and the 12 stations of the Moon and of the Sun. The ancients recognized 12 main northern stars and 12 main southern stars. There are 24 = 2 x 12 hours in the day, of which 12 are daytime and the other 12 nighttime. The number 12 is the product of the sacred and the secular (3 x 4); it is the sum of the numbers of life and good fortune (5 + 7). It thus incorporates many distinct virtues. In Christianity it is the number of Christ’s disciples, and it occurs many other times in the Bible—for example, the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Several cultures have used numbers based on 12 (duodecimal); the 12 inches in a foot are one familiar relic of such a system.
    READ the CHRISTIAN history very clearly bro, before you make such conclusions that is very damaging to the christian faith, our FAITH doesnt relly on numbers!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.anthony View Post
    READ the CHRISTIAN history very clearly bro, before you make such conclusions that is very damaging to the christian faith, our FAITH doesnt relly on numbers!!!!!!
    The number 12 is very important in many religions, mainly Judaism and Christianity.

    The importance of 12 in Judaism and Christianity can be found in the Bible. The biblical Jacob had 12 sons, who were the progenitors of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, while the New Testament describes twelve apostles of Jesus; when Judas Iscariot was disgraced, a meeting was held (Acts) to add Matthias to complete the number twelve once more.

    The Book of Revelation contains much numerical symbolism, and a lot of the numbers mentioned have 12 as a divisor. 12:1 mentions a woman — interpreted as the people of Israel, the Church or the Virgin Mary — wearing a crown of twelve stars (representing each of the twelve tribes of Israel). Furthermore, there are 12,000 people sealed from each of the twelve tribes of Israel, making a total of 144,000 (which is the square of 12 multiplied by a thousand).

    There are 12 days of Christmas. The song Twelve Days of Christmas came from the traditional practice of extending Yuletide celebrations over the twelve days from Christmas day to the eve of Epiphany; the period of thirteen days including Epiphany is sometimes known as Christmastide. Thus Twelfth Night is another name for the twelfth day of Christmas or January 5 (the eve of Epiphany). Similarly, Eastern Orthodoxy observes 12 Great Feasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    The number 12 is very important in many religions, mainly Judaism and Christianity.

    The importance of 12 in Judaism and Christianity can be found in the Bible. The biblical Jacob had 12 sons, who were the progenitors of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, while the New Testament describes twelve apostles of Jesus; when Judas Iscariot was disgraced, a meeting was held (Acts) to add Matthias to complete the number twelve once more.

    The Book of Revelation contains much numerical symbolism, and a lot of the numbers mentioned have 12 as a divisor. 12:1 mentions a woman — interpreted as the people of Israel, the Church or the Virgin Mary — wearing a crown of twelve stars (representing each of the twelve tribes of Israel). Furthermore, there are 12,000 people sealed from each of the twelve tribes of Israel, making a total of 144,000 (which is the square of 12 multiplied by a thousand).

    There are 12 days of Christmas. The song Twelve Days of Christmas came from the traditional practice of extending Yuletide celebrations over the twelve days from Christmas day to the eve of Epiphany; the period of thirteen days including Epiphany is sometimes known as Christmastide. Thus Twelfth Night is another name for the twelfth day of Christmas or January 5 (the eve of Epiphany). Similarly, Eastern Orthodoxy observes 12 Great Feasts.
    I dont what are you trying to prove here but what you are no longer giving a an opinion but your telling us that CHRISTIANITY is pagan religion!!!!!!!!!!! you cant prove a thing using your numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.anthony View Post
    I dont what are you trying to prove here but what you are no longer giving a an opinion but your telling us that CHRISTIANITY is pagan religion!!!!!!!!!!! you cant prove a thing using your numbers.

    Twelve is a higher octave of the number three and is an indicator of great understanding and wisdom. Much of its knowledge is gleaned from life experiences, which enables a sense of calm to prevail in even the most turbulent of situations. Twelve is significant in ancient man’s life because there were twelve tribes in Israel, twelve disciples followed Jesus, there are twelve astrological signs in the zodiac, there are twelve months in the year, and our modern clock is divided into two groups of twelve hours. It is considered to be the ancient number of completion as it signals the end of childhood and the beginning stages of adulthood. Additionally, the ancient numbering and measuring systems are based on this number, as evidenced by terms such as a dozen (12), a gross (12 times 12), a shilling (12 pence) and a foot (12 inches). Negatively, twelve can suffer from a form of depression brought about by a feeling of resignation that life’s events have transpired in such a way.

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    Philo Judaeus states that Moses instituted the showbread with twelve loaves in order to represent the twelve tribes of Israel; and that he divided the nation into twelve tribes in order to represent the twelve signs of the zodiac.

    Jacob’s Ladder

    Jacob’s ladder appears in the ‘Tracing Board’ and is reaching into the Heavens. Jacob was the grandson of Abraham and Sarah, the son of Isaac and Rebecca. Jacob's 12 sons were the ancestors of the 12 tribes of Israel. The 12 tribes of Israel is a reference to the twelve houses of the Zodiac, just like the 12 apostles of Jesus are. That’s why Leonardo Da Vinci portrayed the apostles in 4 groups of three in his painting of the Last Supper separating the zodiac into four seasons.



    Leonardo Da Vinci, Last Supper with four groups of apostles
    Notice by the way that there is no chalice on the table!

    Jacob dreamt of the Milky Way as a ladder with angels ascending and descending it. The ascending angles of course are the up and down moving stars in the sky.
    And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it!
    (Gen 28:12)



    Milky Way erect during summer
    During summertime the Milky Way stands erect on the horizon and forms a ‘Stairway to Heaven’ or Jacob’s ladder. The idea of representing the Milky Way as a stairway or ladder leading to Heaven was a very common theme in ancient times. This idea was expressed as a rope, a tree (World Tree) or a ladder leading into the skies. The Maya called the Milky Way the Wakah Chan during summer sunrise ‘the raised up sky’ and it was represented as the World Tree.

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    this is another ways of justifying man's intellect over things he cannot understand.

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    this is another ways of justifying man's intellect to things he cannot understand...

    if a man never experience the real Jesus, he will never understand it...

    Tempers Flare at Debate on the Devil - ABC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrykidanthony View Post
    this is another ways of justifying man's intellect over things he cannot understand.
    Because almost everything in the bible is SYMBOLIC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrykidanthony View Post
    this is another ways of justifying man's intellect to things he cannot understand...

    if a man never experience the real Jesus, he will never understand it...

    Tempers Flare at Debate on the Devil - ABC News
    I saw this one already and I am ONE with DEEPAK CHOPRA and BISHOP CARLTON PEARSON

    The DEVIL IS NOT REAL!
    Last edited by regnauld; 06-06-2009 at 01:33 AM.

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    @st. anthony

    i know you are protective of your faith...pero it seems that nagsugod nkag kasuko judging by your other posts..murag nisaka najd imong dugo..hehehe!! if you're soo 10000% sure of your faith then nganong react man kaayo kas mga post ni regnauld?..maskn gani si jesus sa inyong bible never shouted or raised his voice other than the incident sa temple..so why can't you do the same?

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