RELIGION

[websniper]

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We are praising and worshiping the same God, then why we need to argue?

[Obese Bo Ricardo]

@dacs - it seems that the tone of your posts is a debate between a CFD and an INK, now full of rhetorics, protecting religion, while destroying the unaware listeners.Â* Â*However, interested posters here read the links, study the scripture and even re-read church history vis-a-vis world history.

Though, I read the verses and catholic church dogmas you quoted, it still does not prove that sola fide and sola scriptura are erroneous doctrines.Â* We all know that the early church (after all apostles have died) found themselves attacked by doctrinal errors, as already prophesied in the book of revelation.Â* But they did not massacre those who strayed.Â*

I do not know the exact reason why the "excess baggage" were institutionalized by the RCC when such cannot be traced in the NT.Â* But we all know the cost of disobedience: excommunication and even death.Â* If you say that faith and good works can bring you to heaven, would you say that those inquisitors and those popes who approved the inquisition would go to heaven?Â*

@richard - keep on reading the scriptures and learn the truth.Â* The faith that saves is not the "faith on ourselves nor the faith on the church".Â* That saving faith is putting your trust in Jesus and what he did on the cross for you.Â* He is the ultimate sacrifice, and that in itself is complete.Â*

I guess a lot of "Christians" here do not know what and why they believe.Â* That is why richard must have called it blind faith, in his early posts.Â* Both Dacs and Obese Bo Ricardo are well informed.Â* I guess we can continue the discussions without the ugly rhetorics, for the seek of those who wants to know the truth.

Peace!!Â*

Von!-x is correct.

And case dismissed. I won't argue further with Dacs since he won't even give Lasala a chance and he disregards Pezzota's corrections on "New Testament Priesthood" or how Scripture and history is silent about the primacy of Rome or the Bishop.

However, interested posters here read the links, study the scripture and even re-read church history vis-a-vis world history.

World history is history. Not one-sided predjudiced documents written by pro-Catholic theologians who strain to reconcile the irreconcilable excess baggage in the RCC. I agree with Von-! X here. I apologize for the debate as it won't bring about conversion, only "bad news".

It can't be traced in the NT, the excess baggage but the abominations of what Gipadayag Diyese Siete calls "The Harlot" sitting on 7 hills (What is the city of 7 hills?) is prophesied in the said book.

We are praising and worshiping the same God, then why we need to argue?

Jesus of the Bible isn't Jesus of the wafer of Jesus of the sacred hearts or Jesus of the Divine Mercy (Matt 24: 24-29, 1 Cor. 15: 8 ) but as I've said I will argue no more.

As for Sola Fide, yes we are saved by faith (Eph. 2: 8 ) and not by works so that no one can boast (2:9) So that we can do the good works that God has prepared for us in advance to do (2: 10)

Faith without deeds is a dead faith, but you can show everyone your faith by what you do (James 2: 1

Faith without overcoming attachment to worldly things is still in the category of unbelief (1 Jn. 5: 3-5) There are pillars of faith without one of which it is lopsided and still faithlessness nonetheless we are saved by faith and not by works ... and are saved to do good works. (Eph. 2: 8-10)

[MrBiddle]

lawom lawom na ni nga discussion da.

But if the debate continues this thread is susceptible to locking. But then again, this is what the initiator of the thread started the discussion for...

[Von!-x]

lawom lawon gyud ni nga diskursyon MrBiddle. Importante man gud nga makahibalo ta kun unsa ato gituhoan.

I hope the other posters would take this topic seriously.

[Obese Bo Ricardo]

Bitaw. Test all things. Hold fast what is good. 1 Thes. 5: 21

I hope the other posters would take this topic seriously.

I hope so.

And MrBiddle, I hope whatever your beliefs are you have weighed things in.... in your search for Truth, if you seek with all your heart you will find the Truth. - Jer 29: 13

[MrBiddle]

Obese,

Was that an insult?

[Obese Bo Ricardo]

MrBiddle,

No. No it wasn't an insult. Goodness I hope another heated conflict doesn't erupt. But I am saying there is a way to define Truth. There are ways to confirm things or deny them, phi.lophy like the Paschal Wager would say otherwise - but there is Truth. You just need to find it. There is Truth.

[pnoize]

I was born catholic but am no longer practicing its rituals. what i cannot understand in ANY organized religious order is why it thinks it is higher than any religious order, the intolerance against other religions sickens me.

So, I guess, you are not a Christian anymore. Christians believe that Christ is the only Savior of the world. Islam is not also part of the option since it already divided the world between the abode of Islam and the abode of war. So, do you have affiliation now?

I suggest sir that you do not judge my beliefs because of my non-practice of the rituals. I believe in Christ but I do not believe in the Catholic Church.

Did not Christ 'whack' those vendors out of the Temple area? Did He forgive the 'other thief' at His crucifixion? Who was Christ referring to when He said 'it is better for that man not to have been borne'?

But He did not shut them out.

What do mean attacking through polygamy?

I suggest you read the sentence again. What I meant was that other religions allow polygamy.

It does not follow that none of these claimants is true.

Nor does it follow that what they follow is the True Religion.

Indeed, the choice of religion is personal - personal in the sense that you must be free to choose and accept it. Yet, you are never free to choose any other form of religion once you have heard the truth about Christianity. Once you know that its claims are true, you are never free to choose to be indifferent to it. To do so will be tantamount to making yourself your own God.

So man's freewill is automatically taken away from him as soon as he becomes a "christian"?

[MrBiddle]

Nonsectorials and Fundamentalists are "Jesus freaks".

Catholics heart's are equally divided though giving fair share of veneration for Mary, the Saints or objects that are supposed to be sacramental or "holy". So basin mas fighter ang Catholic Church kay pareha atong juice nga commercial pantay na!

[Obese Bo Ricardo]

Nonsectorials and Fundamentalists are "Jesus freaks".

Catholics heart's are equally divided though giving fair share of veneration for Mary, the Saints or objects that are supposed to be sacramental or "holy". So basin mas fighter ang Catholic Church kay pareha atong juice nga commercial pantay na!

Your juvenile quips are unecessary... but it says somewhere in the NT that we are "fools for Christ's sake"?

Dacs help me out here where was that verse I'm talking about? about "fools" and the like