Abolition of Fraternities and Sororities.

[brownprose]

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[color=navy]@yokam, naaah I believe this recent incident of death by hazing just goes to show how the people involved in this crime (and many others like them) are irresponsible, selfish, have no regard for the welfare of others or the law, and thus cannot govern themselves. Their actions and choices reflects on their character, upbringing and the organizations that they represent.

In addition, I can't find any reason why to this day Fraternities/Sororities have to dignify such form of violence.
I must admit that I am ashamed of being a frat member myself. Having two fraternities and after having been through 2 initiation rites, I still have to find the perfect justification why such form of violence and indignation be part of the whole process of acceptance for a neophyte. Some say that 1) hazing is an effective way to teach respect and develop discipline. Respect must be EARNED--not taught 2) it's because it's a TRADITION. Why can't we just get rid of it and move on?

Just because it is part of the tradition does not mean it is always right. Slavery was once regarded as part of a long tradition of many societies -- to bound the life of their servants and their children to their master's service. But time has changed all that -- people realize that societies get into trouble for the age-old traditions that they can't let go...Ku Klux Klan in the United States, Apartheid in S.Africa are just a few examples why resistance to change is genocidal.

Fraternities/sororities need to rethink new ways to bring membership acceptance to a new level sans the unnecessary violence and humiliation (physical or otherwise) -- hazing is unethical and only repeats the tradition of violence that will guranty another Cris Mendoza in the future.

All we need is to take the challenge of finding more positive, informative, and creative, not demeaning/degrading ways to accept members. Unfortunately, this suggestion has been taken coldly -- and that probably explains why many of our fratmen are either cold-hearted or cold-blooded.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

so you agree with me in saying that hazing is negative and the dictionary definition is enough? kay mo ingon man gud ka wa mi alamag kay di mi fratmen LOL

Of course HAZING was never a POSITIVE THING inclining PHYSICAL INJURIES . Though it has reasons behind it why it was practiced . I said its NOT POSITIVE but its not necessarily WRONG . When I stated wala mo kabalo kay di mo FRATMEN , inyong knowledge about it is limited lang sa PHYSICAL INJURIES and BODILY HARM . HAZING is such a broad and abused word . Saying " these FRAT LEADERS dont know the term " is suggesting that mas nakabalo na nuon mo na kamo dili myembro . That is what the cards I am trying to lay . FOr once try to recall sa inyong kinabuhi na naka bugal bugal mo , naa moy gi binuangan ug practical jokes , gi harass etc ... that is UNKNOWINGLY COMMITTING HAZING by definition and that is totally not so FRATERNITY .

Today ... HAZING is synonymous to FRATERNITY . Its not really .


@ CHAD_TUKES .... that happens because GOOD THINGS that happens within the fraternity is fraternity sanctioned . Crimes committed by individual members arent ... we are all responsible for our actions .

[Velvett]

Of course HAZING was never a POSITIVE THING inclining PHYSICAL INJURIES . Though it has reasons behind it why it was practiced . I said its NOT POSITIVE but its not necessarily WRONG . When I stated wala mo kabalo kay di mo FRATMEN , inyong knowledge about it is limited lang sa PHYSICAL INJURIES and BODILY HARM . HAZING is such a broad and abused word . Saying " these FRAT LEADERS dont know the term " is suggesting that mas nakabalo na nuon mo na kamo dili myembro . That is what the cards I am trying to lay . FOr once try to recall sa inyong kinabuhi na naka bugal bugal mo , naa moy gi binuangan ug practical jokes , gi harass etc ... that is UNKNOWINGLY COMMITTING HAZING by definition and that is totally not so FRATERNITY .

sorry springfield but im tired and mad today so let's just go to the bottomline. not positive but not wrong tell me. don't beat around the bush.

we are talking about hazing in fraternities, an intentional act. daghan man gani ma offend aning mga jokes like APirl fools' jokes (ambot lang nila mura labag gi unsa sila...pwe!) kani pa kahang intentional act of violence? and we are talking about human lives and the grief of bereaved families...what's there to justify hazing really? NONE.

now now now...let's not try to act naive. unsay acts committed by individual members? we are talking about hazing, not their personal lives. sanctioned man kaha ning hazing sa fraternities? or unsa man, nagka ilhanay pa mo sa inyung mga leaders nga nagbuhat ani? i say that leader who doesn't own up to the crime or just saves his own ass is a leader wannabe, which many fratmen out there might just be. lider-lideran wa kabalo sa iyang resposibilidad.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

sorry springfield but im tired and mad today so let's just go to the bottomline. not positive but not wrong tell me. don't beat around the bush.

Again we need to go back to the defition of HAZING . Indeed when we inflict bodily harm bisan sa hayop is wrong . Hazing in general is not positive specially kung ang subject is against gyud sa will . Nakahinumdom mo sa panahon sa TC na ang pledge pahatagun ug buwak , palampasuhon ug 1 month sa classroom , maoy mo dala sa libro sa uyab ilang sponsors etc ? that is form of HAZING less the BODILY HARM . Now when we say its not WRONG , it digs deeper to the core why the pledge does it bisan kontra sa buot . Everyone has its own reasons now why they still opt to do it .

we are talking about hazing in fraternities, an intentional act. daghan man gani ma offend aning mga jokes like APirl fools' jokes (ambot lang nila mura labag gi unsa sila...pwe!) kani pa kahang intentional act of violence?

Mao gani go after the guilty party and not the innocent party . Hilig man mo generalized , not all FRATS embraces HAZING , some even go against it . Mine you also , before becoming a LAW STUDENT .... edukado na ka , if not bright smart ka . By submitting yourself to these act of violence according to you , you are responsible for your own actions .

and we are talking about human lives and the grief of bereaved families...what's there to justify hazing really? NONE.

Wala gyud , gi kulata ilang anak kay sa pagka tonto na abi namo ug bright ni sud gihapon kabalo man siya na mamatay diay siya .

now now now...let's not try to act naive. unsay acts committed by individual members?

I believe that was for CHAD TUKES .... crimes like nagpinatyanay , kawat , rape , akyat bahay , tulis , adultery unsa pa na krimen .

we are talking about hazing, not their personal lives. sanctioned man kaha ning hazing sa fraternities?

YUP sanctioned , but never in the sane mind mo patay . Wala untay myembro ang frats kung mo patay sa HAZING ilang tumong . Now because fatalities happen , the responsible members of the subjects death ang gukdon for reasons na gi VIOLATE nila ang FRATS PROGRAM of INITIATION .

or unsa man, nagka ilhanay pa mo sa inyung mga leaders nga nagbuhat ani? i say that leader who doesn't own up to the crime or just saves his own ass is a leader wannabe, which many fratmen out there might just be. lider-lideran wa kabalo sa iyang resposibilidad.

How do you define a LEADER ? kana word na LIDER noh murag HAZING , CHEF , BUSINESS etc , very broad and ABUSED word .

[amico]

bitaw abolished dayon oi. unsay dugayan ana. tangala dayon na oi.

[ta3]

Abolish sa fraternities and sororities? Totally she's insane.

[Pinkdimensions]

pwede man.. nganung dli..

[Velvett]

YUP sanctioned , but never in the sane mind mo patay . Wala untay myembro ang frats kung mo patay sa HAZING ilang tumong . Now because fatalities happen , the responsible members of the subjects death ang gukdon for reasons na gi VIOLATE nila ang FRATS PROGRAM of INITIATION .

something's wrong with the initiation process, you agree?

ang Mattel nag recall sa ilang mga produkto maski ang manufacturer kay naa sa China. because it's smart move...they are protecting their reputation and credibility.

fraternities dont seem to mind reputation and credibility eh? if they did they wouldn't have resorted to cover ups and passing the buck, as always. ug kinsay mo gukod sa mga guilty fratmen? those who are in the same backyard i say! enough of the lack of accountability.

hazing = senseless, outdated. synonymous to Darfur genocide

[LytSlpr]

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@LytSlpr, my overall point is "Things CAN change". Right now, the law says fraternities have legal rights. That is the current status quo, but that can be changed.

It is not yet a criminal act to join or be a member of a fraternity or such societies. Some fraternities are just "branded" as violent groups but these are just labels and have no legal basis or repercussions.

Hypothetically, once legislation is passed and approved against the fraternities, deeming these as organizations to be held accountable for the illegal activities of their members (i.e. manslaughter through hazing), then there will be enforcement of this law by the police and the public prosecutors.

Anyway, all again~ hypothetical. Besides again not all fraternities are bad or engaged in the criminal activity of hazing. [b]There is already legislation banning the practice of hazing but this is still being practiced. Declares a lot on the type of people these fraternities take in as members, doesn't it? Or on the fraternities that take in such people as its members and leaders...

yup, but the article collectively said, "abolish fraternities and sororities." how can they implement that even if a law is passed? it's just like the prostitution issue.

[Pinkdimensions]

mmmmm.. sensical..

presently.. unsa pman nahatag sa frat or soror sa katilingban ba?..