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    Default 4 Stages for the Argument of God’s Existence.....


    Id like to share a very profound argument from Ravi. It's worth pondering..........

    4 Stages for the Argument of God’s Existence:

    1. No matter how you section physical concrete reality, you end up with the state of affairs where the quantity you reached cannot explain its own existence. It has to find the reason of its existence outside of itself.
    2. Whenever you see intelligibility or a specified complexity, you will always assume intelligence behind it. You will never think of a dictionary and think it happened because of an explosion in a printing press.
    3. All the questions of suffering and evil in this world are either raised by a person or about a person. When we talk about wonder, genocide, there’s a person raising the question about persons. Someway personality becomes at the core of the problem-question of pain and suffering.
    4. Ultimately look at the history and its experience, what has humanity experienced on the notion of God? What does history got to tell us about it?


    source:
    Kansas State University Q&A, Part 1 of 2 | RZIM

    When you take these 4 stages, GOD IS A NON-PHYSICAL, INTELLIGENT, PERSONAL BEING WHO INTERVENES IN HISTORY. Yes, GOD does intervene…..That’s the CHRIST WE KNEW in the BIBLE!!!!
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    The outside of us is the manifestation of the inside of us. We are what we think

    When we say morality was not derived from any god/religion, here we can see how rational and what kind of morality we have........

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    Ravi Zacharias is amazing speaker but I would also recommend William Lane Craig. He's probably the best and certainly the most proactive philosophical theologian in modern times always travelling through various universities and handle debates.

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    lisora anang cgeg lalis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by machinecult View Post
    Ravi Zacharias is amazing speaker but I would also recommend William Lane Craig. He's probably the best and certainly the most proactive philosophical theologian in modern times always travelling through various universities and handle debates.
    I like Bill Craig also @mach. Theyre amazing when they go in tandem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    Id like to share a very profound argument from Ravi. It's worth pondering..........

    4 Stages for the Argument of God’s Existence:

    1. No matter how you section physical concrete reality, you end up with the state of affairs where the quantity you reached cannot explain its own existence. It has to find the reason of its existence outside of itself.
    2. Whenever you see intelligibility or a specified complexity, you will always assume intelligence behind it. You will never think of a dictionary and think it happened because of an explosion in a printing press.
    3. All the questions of suffering and evil in this world are either raised by a person or about a person. When we talk about wonder, genocide, there’s a person raising the question about persons. Someway personality becomes at the core of the problem-question of pain and suffering.
    4. Ultimately look at the history and its experience, what has humanity experienced on the notion of God? What does history got to tell us about it?


    source:
    Kansas State University Q&A, Part 1 of 2 | RZIM

    When you take these 4 stages, GOD IS A NON-PHYSICAL, INTELLIGENT, PERSONAL BEING WHO INTERVENES IN HISTORY. Yes, GOD does intervene…..That’s the CHRIST WE KNEW in the BIBLE!!!!
    but how would you know if jesus was just another person claiming to be god? how would you know if he really existed or was just a character based from other religion's character like Krishna, Odysseus, Romulus, Zoroaster, Attis of Phrygia, or Horus?

    you are very confident with your answer but you only based that on one book...
    its like claiming the world is flat because it appears to be flat, or the earth is the center of the universe, because the "Heavenly" bodies move relative to you..

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    Quote Originally Posted by silent-kill View Post
    but how would you know if jesus was just another person claiming to be god? how would you know if he really existed or was just a character based from other religion's character like Krishna, Odysseus, Romulus, Zoroaster, Attis of Phrygia, or Horus?

    you are very confident with your answer but you only based that on one book...
    its like claiming the world is flat because it appears to be flat, or the earth is the center of the universe, because the "Heavenly" bodies move relative to you..
    That is what we are going to search @kill. It is there. Abundantly available. Jesus said ask and it shall be given you, seek and you shall find.....We only need to exercise that faith.

    There are lots of things that insulated our hearts this is because of sin. Same thing with the truth. It is well protected by a bodyguard of lies.....so its our duty to ask God sincerely to reveal it to us!

    And if youll find it, youll never regret coz it will change your whole life's perspective. In effect, you and the people behind you will be blessed.

    Hope you could find some of the answers here.
    Y-Jesus.com
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