saving the dream of Z gorre

[ed168II]

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i think he needs a new coach, even pacman was humiliatingly defeated by an uknown indonesian via knockout, early rounds pa jud.. wat he did he fired the coach incharge of dat fight n hired a new one, i think thats already freddie roach, now he is the most successful fighter in our country..

i think Z gave everything he had against darchi, he trains more than 3 months i think, he did his best, it was not good enough, maybe he reached his limit.. wy not try to hire a new coach.. or he'll get out from ALA n fight by himself, like pacman.. hes still young.. naa pay asa..

[Ironwood_Cebu]

i think he needs a new coach, even pacman was humiliatingly defeated by an uknown indonesian via knockout, early rounds pa jud.. wat he did he fired the coach incharge of dat fight n hired a new one, i think thats already freddie roach, now he is the most successful fighter in our country..

i think Z gave everything he had against darchi, he trains more than 3 months i think, he did his best, it was not good enough, maybe he reached his limit.. wy not try to hire a new coach.. or he'll get out from ALA n fight by himself, like pacman.. hes still young.. naa pay asa..

brush up on your pacman history bro.. pacman never lost to an indon in his career (so far!)... not early rounds, not late rounds, never.

he lost to medgoen singsurat even before the THAI boxer threw a punch... he (Pacman) failed to make weight... as a result of this loss, he JUMPED two divisions up... it was a little later pa that he and his business manager (Rod Nazario) decided to bring him to the US and scouted a good trainer there... there they found FR and the rest, as they say, is history...

[ed168II]

ah ic, its a thai boxer i thought an indonesian.. the point is, its good he change his coach, maybe dats a factor he rise to stardom.. maybe dat would help Z..

[Ironwood_Cebu]

ah ic, its a thai boxer i thought an indonesian.. the point is, its good he change his coach, maybe dats a factor he rise to stardom.. maybe dat would help Z..

problem is, its not easy to change coach... z is with ala and coach aev is the chief trainer of the ala gym... i dont think its gonna happen as long as butchoy is with ala...

[Ironwood_Cebu]

and i dont think z can afford to jump ship (to another management)... basin mag ala-rodel mayol lang iya career...

[ed168II]

if dats d case, i think Z will stil hav thesame fighting stance on the next fight, it might be predictable n Z is not fighting ordinary boxers.. im not saying that ala would replace their chief coach, in fact all of there boxers are power punchers like freddie roach boys.. grabe sad ug leverage.. but for me, i think the gym needs new knowledge to save its name.. 3 loses of championship fights i think, is enough to convince that the ala boys r all predictable fighters.. this is not a local fight, it is an international fight!.. world class observers.. meaning thr eyes r far better than us.. its just my opinion, pls do not generalize things.. i know Z has a great potential n a very hard working boxer, he deserve a change.. i cant stand watching him beaten again.. layo na kaaug tugpa nya..

not another management but a new trainor.. dats wat i realy mean from the start..

[Ironwood_Cebu]

not another management but a new trainor.. dats wat i realy mean from the start..

you just said earlier that if Z does not get a new coach, he can get out of ALA and fight by himself... ill post it to you for easy reference below:

wy not try to hire a new coach.. or he'll get out from ALA n fight by himself, like pacman.. hes still young.. naa pay asa..

the real problem of Z is he seems to lack power and the stamina to stay for 12 rounds... in the 2 title fights he had (Montiel & Darchi), he lost steam midway of the fight... thats when his opponent able to turn the tide in their favor... early on on these fights, Z is winning, way way ahead.... but when he starts to lose steam, thats where lies the problem.

lastly, how many gyms you know that do not lose in title fights? how many times WCG boxers lost in title fights? i tell u, definitely MORE than 3 times.... but that does not mean WCG have to lose all their trainers (except of course FR who owns the place) or that WCG fighters are all predictable.... you cannot generalize things just because boxers lose sometimes.... get it?

[Ironwood_Cebu]

i know Z personally, met him several times... some of those times, he (together with the rest of the ALA Boys) get to meet with us, Cebu Paclanders, in our regular EBs.... and i also know Coach AEV... i tell you, a coach can only do so much... at the end of the day, it is up to the boxer himself... when he's up there atop the ring, he has nobody except himself to rely on... coaches can only coach, its the boxers who fight their fights.

[godsaint]

brush up on your pacman history bro.. pacman never lost to an indon in his career (so far!)... not early rounds, not late rounds, never.

he lost to medgoen singsurat even before the THAI boxer threw a punch... he (Pacman) failed to make weight... as a result of this loss, he JUMPED two divisions up... it was a little later pa that he and his business manager (Rod Nazario) decided to bring him to the US and scouted a good trainer there... there they found FR and the rest, as they say, is history...

The Thai never throw a punch on Pacman?Pacman was knock out in round two by a body punch.

[Ironwood_Cebu]

The Thai never throw a punch on Pacman?Pacman was knock out in round two by a body punch.

thats not what i said... re-read again my post. i said Pacman lost to the guy EVEN BEFORE he threw a punch. tsk tsk tsk