MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[æRLO]

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this move is like saying "we'll let the next administration handle this".

[NapoleonBlownapart]

i can understand from where your coming from boss, but we have to realized also that we need to acknowledge their cultural blah, blah,.. history (for the lack of better alternative for Jurisprudence) would tell us that we have been giving them what they wanted already by creating autonomous regions, such as the CAR for Ifugaos & Aetas, CARAGA for the natives of Agusan, etc..

so for me, there's no need to worry that other minorities will make claims for they have been given already.

AFAIK there's only one autonomous region in the Philippines. While the provinces with minorities are grouped together such as CAR and CARAGA, they haven't gone as far as asking for autonomy like ARMM. Is there really a need for an autonomous region? Anyway, I'm concerned about the groups that are not satisfied with the Framework agreement because they want more. I wonder how far our government can compromise.

[mudskipper77]

botbot aning mga tawhana...kung gusto sila ug peace angay isurrender nila tanan armas naa sila sa gobyerno.

[amingb]

Then there is the constitutionality of the agreement as raised by senator santiago:
Miriam concerned over PH-MILF framework accord | ABS-CBN News

MANILA, Philippines - Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago on Monday expressed concern over constitutional amendments required by the framework agreement of the government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

Santiago, chair of the Senate committee on constitutional amendments, said the Constitution needs to be amended to fulfill the agreement's provisions granting the Bangsamoro state a ministerial form of government and making it a "sub-state."

The creation of the Bangsamoro's Basic Law would also call for constitutional amendment, she added.

"Our negotiators have tied our government and the hands of the Filipino public with respect to these amendments," Santiago told reporters. "If we do not pass these amendments, then the framework agreement will be discarded, and then we'll probably be made to answer why we are responsible for making it a failure. That's not fair to the Filipino public."

In effect, Santiago added, the framework agreement makes the Constitution the subject of a treaty.

"I am very, very concerned. Our own Constitution is being the subject of a treaty. Since when did a foreign entity have the power to compel our people to pass amendments to our Constitution?" she said.

Santiago said she won't file a petition before the Supreme Court questioning the agreement and will wait for others to do it because she will part of legislative deliberations on the matter.

However, she vowed to stand against the agreement when it reaches the Senate.

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One thing very striking in the agreement is that it was made "in accordance with the agreement of both parties" when it should have been better said "in accordance with the Philippine Constitution". Mura man ug silasila ra ang gasabot.

Mura na-igo ako analysis pag basa nako sa Draft .. wala naka clause nga Sub-State but klaro kaau ang agreement gihatag najud sa goberno ... unconstitutional .... this agreement is a failure ....

[noysabas]

this............

Nanindigan si dating Pangulong Joseph Estrada na ang solusyon para makamit ang katahimikan sa Mindanao ay all-out war.Reaksiyon ito ni Estrada sa framework agreement sa pagitan ng Pilipinas at MILF na naglalayong mawakasan na ang ilang dekadang kaguluhan.Umaasa ang dating pangulo na hindi magdulot ng pagkakabuo ng isa pang breakaway group ang pinasok na hakbang ni Pangulong Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino III.Matatandaang si Erap lamang ang pangulo ng Pilipinas na nagdeklara ng all-out war laban sa mga Muslim rebels kung saan nagawa nitong makubkob ang pinakamalaking MILF camp na Abu Bakkar.

http://www.bomboradyo.com/news/lates...-mindanao-erap

[amingb]

^ wala diay nimo na basa ang sharing of wealth ming?

Subject to Debate pana sir ... wa pay klaro ang agreement ana unya na siguro na inig ma approved na ... ang pangayoon ana sa mga Muklo siguro 70-30 na gi atay jud ta ani .....

[amingb]

Mura na-igo ako analysis pag basa nako sa Draft .. wala naka clause nga Sub-State but klaro kaau ang agreement gihatag najud sa goberno ... unconstitutional .... this agreement is a failure ....

Gi Hikot nila sa katawhan kay hilig man gud sila ug People Power labi naning Presidente nato nga Dictador maghimo ug iyahang balaod ...

[rans23]

CERTIFIED... tira pasagad...

tsur mo oi... sabta usa ninyo pg ayo before mo react..

kinyahay ra walay kalamboan ning Pnas...

"ingon ni abnoy nga akong nadungog sa iyang speech, this will be legislated.. meaning this will be created in accordance to law"

unya namo yaw2x kung dili ni sundon.. tsk, tsk, tsk...

Mao gani nigamit ko og word nga "puhon". paet kaayo og mahinayon ni brad daghan raba kalaagan nindot ngadto labi nas basilan.

[amingb]

Katong mga Pro Pnoy okay ras ilaha ihatag sa Bangsamoro ang Part sa Mindanao .... ug unsay gustong Pnoy uyon pud sila ... bahala ug unconstitutional ...

[jack_bauer]

Katong mga Pro Pnoy okay ras ilaha ihatag sa Bangsamoro ang Part sa Mindanao .... ug unsay gustong Pnoy uyon pud sila ... bahala ug unconstitutional ...

ako lang ning tubagon kay identified abnoy fan rba ko diri..

i won't argue with the accusation that whatever abnoy is doing, i am all 100% supportive of it, just like anyone else i am reading both sides.. although, i have made it a point that i do whatever i can to help people understand that we are moving towards the tuwid na daan, not perfect yes but we are gradually and slowing moving towards it..

anyways,.. Ont: just like most of us i am wary that this move might be abused but i am supporting this for "peace" sake.
who knows, with confidence between both sides things will be better.. i am for one is against giving the Moro a separate state or sub-state but if only this is the only road to peace, then with humility from my heart, i might concede..

thats just me, and i know my opinion doesn't matter at all in all of these processes ..