How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

[chris_bern]

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It appears in order to straighten us out we need some of our freedoms taken away. It's like having a mentor telling us and controlling us what to do until such time when they feel that we are ready they will give us our freedom. Nasobraan ra kasalig ang pinoy sa ilang freedom. We don't need that, we need discipline.

believe it or not, switzerland has some drugs considered illegal in other countries as legal in theirs. Why? Because the citizens have grown responsible and the gov't trusts them enough not to abuse their freedom. Freedom should be wielded by responsible people not by immature nations who think that their freedom is a right and not a privilege. Fact is, freedom IS a privilege in any civilized society.

agree ko ani nga idea.. hehe.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

^^ if you want to blame anyone for our plight bai blame quezon. it was his misplaced filipino pride that got us in this mess with: "I'd rather see the Philippines run like hell by Filipinos than run like heaven by the Americans."

Tan-awa nalang Manoy! Run like hell it was!

[chris_bern]

^^ if you want to blame anyone for our plight bai blame quezon. it was his misplaced filipino pride that got us in this mess with: "I'd rather see the Philippines run like hell by Filipinos than run like heaven by the Americans."

Tan-awa nalang Manoy! Run like hell it was!

niingon diay si manuel quezon ani??

so if that's the case, you want diay na magpasakop na lang tag balik sa amerika kay its heaven for us??

[emow]

It appears in order to straighten us out we need some of our freedoms taken away. It's like having a mentor telling us and controlling us what to do until such time when they feel that we are ready they will give us our freedom. Nasobraan ra kasalig ang pinoy sa ilang freedom. We don't need that, we need discipline.

believe it or not, switzerland has some drugs considered illegal in other countries as legal in theirs. Why? Because the citizens have grown responsible and the gov't trusts them enough not to abuse their freedom. Freedom should be wielded by responsible people not by immature nations who think that their freedom is a right and not a privilege. Fact is, freedom IS a privilege in any civilized society.

It seems that we have some ambiguity on what freedom is. If it is said that it is only a privilege, and not a right, then on whose authority does freedom stems? Is a man born devoid of freedom unless appropriated by chartered law of the society? Isn't it that freedom is tied to life itself? The right to life, liberty and property is ascertained by any civilized law, don't you agree? If freedom is privileged, can you cage freedom of thought?

I believe the opposite is true when it comes to Pinoys and their freedom. We are continually bombarded with laws that limits our freedom and distributing our wealth from our pockets without consent. Economy and freedom are closely linked that when one is disrupted, the other is also disrupted. We are not at all free. We just changed dictators, from foreigners to locals.

The problem of this country is, people are too mindful of the business of other people. We must ascertain that all people should be clothe, sheltered, fed, educated, and etc... and we do this by getting the money of group A to pay for the welfare of group B. Fair? Is it just for you to pay for my welfare? obviously, you won't give a damn. But why is it any different when the government will do that for me? Much of our problems will be removed when we give back the liberties and responsibilities to the people themselves. Government should stay away from passing laws doing positive justice under the pretense of false philanthropy. Welfare Programs, Subsidies, Gov funded charity, etc are some of the culprit to our problems. It takes away the resources of some to give it to others. That is the stem of this debate. People are actually exhausted in providing for others, especially the poor. But we cannot escape this unwarranted responsibility because there is a law legitimizing this plunder. Stop all these economic anomalies, and let people seek their own fate. If Government involves itself in every aspect of our lives, we will have limited freedom and are always the mercy of the inconsistencies of the change of leadership.

From the start of this Republic, we are on a continuous decline... We have become less and less prosperous inspite of the progressive growth. The obvious culprit are not the leaders per se, but our philosophies on government, liberty and economy. The government we praise is the government that provides. That is what is seen. But what is not seen is how the government can provide. The government doesn't produce anything of value, but relies on the continuous influx of taxes, tariffs and other forms of forced contributions. Therefore, it cannot provide if it cannot steal, and the bigger it is, the bigger it needs to feed.

[chris_bern]

The government doesn't produce anything of value, but relies on the continuous influx of taxes, tariffs and other forms of forced contributions. Therefore, it cannot provide if it cannot steal, and the bigger it is, the bigger it needs to feed.

are you saying ba na our government is bad??

[tokidoki_v2.0]

niingon diay si manuel quezon ani??

so if that's the case, you want diay na magpasakop na lang tag balik sa amerika kay its heaven for us??

America would have given us independence anyway. In due time, of course. Ang sayop ni quezon di siya kahulat. nag una iyang filipino pride and ego or maybe perhaps he was already a cojuanco-aquino puppet to begin with.

Every democratic nation will always be granted independence WHEN THE TIME COMES. Mao bitaw na ako example na murag mentor-student thing.

[chris_bern]

America would have given us independence anyway. In due time, of course. Ang sayop ni quezon di siya kahulat. nag una iyang filipino pride and ego or maybe perhaps he was already a cojuanco-aquino puppet to begin with.

Every democratic nation will always be granted independence WHEN THE TIME COMES. Mao bitaw na ako example na murag mentor-student thing.

Dude, u can't blame our ancestors kung mag alsa sila batok sa amerika sauna kay nag invade ang america sa ato with the use of force.. ikaw ra gud naa sa ila place kung sayun ba na ang tanan nimo mga properties pwersahan makuha sa laing tao..

Unta kung gisakop ta sa amerika sauna nag explain pud unta sila in the first place anang mentor-student thing as what you mentioned..but during those times of american colonization what did the americans do to our country?? di ba most of them that is written in our history books they did some abuses to our fellow filipinos and rob everything that was owned by previous pinoys?

[tokidoki_v2.0]

It seems that we have some ambiguity on what freedom is. If it is said that it is only a privilege, and not a right, then on whose authority does freedom stems? Is a man born devoid of freedom unless appropriated by chartered law of the society? Isn't it that freedom is tied to life itself? The right to life, liberty and property is ascertained by any civilized law, don't you agree? If freedom is privileged, can you cage freedom of thought?

I wanted to share a video regarding this but it was like 10yrs ago. But to answer your question bai. No. You are not free. Your type of freedom is dictated/mandated by the gov't. Regardless of the type of gov't a citizen will always be bound to his motherland.

Let me give you an obvious example. Have you ever noticed that when you leave the country you have to face a Philippine immigration officer? They have to clear you to leave YOUR country. Now, all practicality and legality aside, didn't you ever ask yourself if you are indeed a FREE FILIPINO CITIZEN why do you have to answer to an immigration officer to leave the country of your birth? In fact, why do you even need them when you come back? And if they deny you, you simply can't just barge in/out of the country, correct? If you are free to live in the Philippines then you are free to leave. But the thing I just described is contradictory to what you say "free".

In short, moadto ka ug Singapore, US, Europe unsay labot sa immigration officer if mohawa ka sa pilipinas? Free man kaha ka?

If you are indeed free, why do you answer to these people?

The answer bai is actually part of the foundation of civilized society. Since countries were born it was already "de facto" that you belong to your homeland. hence, the birth certificate (de jure) making you legally a property of the Philippine gov't. In short, your country owns you. YOU ARE NOT FREE.

The product of a country is not the tangible items we produce but the people themselves. No people. No products. No income. A country is powered by the citizens. Take that away and a country means nothing. We are just one large corporation bai. Hence, the president, VP, congress & senate which actually equates to a corporation like Ayala that also has a president, vp, board of directors (senate). See the pattern?

Case in point, that is why defection is considered treason even today. In communist countries like China, it is punishable by death, those who succeeded will have the misfortune of hearing that their families and relatives massacred. In countries like US, it is still punishable by imprisonment.

Why, oh, why indeed if these defectors are masters of their own bodies? Because to a country's thinking, "you are born from my land, your life and your liberty belongs to me. If you leave you do not deserve to live at all."

I apologize if I couldn't remember the source of this but the keyword to it was "law of the land". As a human being born from land you are bound to it.

On a positive note (but somewhat offensive depending on your POV), being a property of your country means no other country has the right to violate you. Hence, you will see gov't intervention if there is injustice being done to a Filipino OFW. When a country like, say, Malaysia executes a Filipino or an American abuses a Filipina maid they are actually vandalizing Philippine property and your motherland, in charge of it personal peroperty, will retaliate for your personal protection.

Basta ang punto ana, forget about your ideas of freedom. Freedom is an illusion. That youtube video on the previous page demonstrates this in the Phils.

I believe the opposite is true when it comes to Pinoys and their freedom. We are continually bombarded with laws that limits our freedom and distributing our wealth from our pockets without consent. Economy and freedom are closely linked that when one is disrupted, the other is also disrupted. We are not at all free. We just changed dictators, from foreigners to locals.

Yes you are correct about that. But compared to a Marcos, the current "dictators" as you put it only gave us the freedom to be pigs until we are ready for the slaughter.

The problem of this country is, people are too mindful of the business of other people. We must ascertain that all people should be clothe, sheltered, fed, educated, and etc... and we do this by getting the money of group A to pay for the welfare of group B. Fair? Is it just for you to pay for my welfare?

What you are describing is actually the core of communism. Everyone is equal. Nobody gets rich. Take the excess of the other to share with the rest. (Ironically, Christianity was founded on these same principles). See another pattern as to why the Philippines is poor due to the church's teachings? Not surprisingly, that was mentioned in the recent video shared here.

From the start of this Republic, we are on a continuous decline... We have become less and less prosperous inspite of the progressive growth. The obvious culprit are not the leaders per se, but our philosophies on government, liberty and economy. The government we praise is the government that provides. That is what is seen. But what is not seen is how the government can provide. The government doesn't produce anything of value, but relies on the continuous influx of taxes, tariffs and other forms of forced contributions. Therefore, it cannot provide if it cannot steal, and the bigger it is, the bigger it needs to feed.

Yes, greed is very abstract yet very real at the same time. It is a behavior that seems to have a mind of its own.

Pero my basic philosophy is best described by Kennedy: "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country."

Ako bai ginagmay ra ni ako. I don't litter. I don't spit or smoke in public. I don't violate traffic laws. I'm just one person but if even one person does it I'm pretty sure there are others who do it as well.

If pwede lang gani makanegosyo ko but I'm not a very enterprising. Starting a business would provide jobs and provide income for spending back into the economy.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

Dude, u can't blame our ancestors kung mag alsa sila batok sa amerika sauna kay nag invade ang america sa ato with the use of force.. ikaw ra gud naa sa ila place kung sayun ba na ang tanan nimo mga properties pwersahan makuha sa laing tao..

Unta kung gisakop ta sa amerika sauna nag explain pud unta sila in the first place anang mentor-student thing as what you mentioned..but during those times of american colonization what did the americans do to our country?? di ba most of them that is written in our history books they did some abuses to our fellow filipinos and rob everything that was owned by previous pinoys?

They didn't explain it that way bai. That is my analogy. But America already stated their hesitation to give the Phils their independence stating it was just "too soon". Maskin kinsa man siguro bai nga naai long term plan they would know when something is ready or not.

I've heard about abuses (my father lived through WWII during the japanese then american occupation in the phils). But if you look at the photos bai of what america did to the phils. Kalami ra tan-awn noh oi kumpara karon.

From Fuente, Cebu to Roxas Blvd. in Manila perteng gwapoha, perteng limpyoha and I'd imagine perte siguro humota. And last time I read a history book bai America didn't invade the Phils. They bought it from the Spanish, remember? Then Japan took over then we even praised them for "rescuing us".

[chris_bern]

I've heard about abuses (my father lived through WWII during the japanese then american occupation in the phils). But if you look at the photos bai of what america did to the phils. Kalami ra tan-awn noh oi kumpara karon.

From Fuente, Cebu to Roxas Blvd. in Manila perteng gwapoha, perteng limpyoha and I'd imagine perte siguro humota. And last time I read a history book bai America didn't invade the Phils. They bought it from the Spanish, remember? Then Japan took over then we even praised them for "rescuing us".

maybe your right na daghan bitaw nabuhat na maayo sa ato lugar ang mga colonizers sa ato nasud sauna just like what the americans did.. but if you put yourself into our ancestors situations long time ago would you think na maisip nimo ang gibuhat nila na maayo sa ato nasud??

majority of our ancestors man gud bay during the time of foreign occupations are treated badly that's why our ancestors just like Manuel Quezon nagsulti na lang ana nga "I'd rather see the Philippines run like hell by Filipinos than run like heaven by the Americans.".. although at some point you may be right na murag misplaced ang idea but the reality of their situation long time ago is plainly abuses to our fellow pinoys..

ikaw daw realistically speaking malipay ka nga abusohon sa trabaho ang imo pamilya to the point na labaw pa sa dugo ug singot ang ila ihatag dapat arun lang matuman ang pangarap sa nagpatrabaho sa ila.. unya ang ibayad sa ila pagpanarbaho kay centavos lang kada bulan?