unsa nindot ilearn na programming language

[uchihacirxe]

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I remembered ... I did give you guys info on what programming languages I am currently using.
Can I have the pleasure of knowing your forte? Most especially dodie, mark and kamsky

[bluedes]

na-unsa na ni dre?



IMO, powerbuilder is not a programming language.. powerscript is..
Powerbuilder is like microsoft access.. and microsoft access is not a programming language..

.Net is not a programming language, its a framework, or a library at most..
CGI is definitely not a programming language..

VB is..

MFC is not..

SQL is a language, anybody want to contest this?



that wikipedia list is too much.. powerbuilder? butangan pud ta nya ug ms access..

[uchihacirxe]

SQL is a language, anybody want to contest this?

No. SQL is not a language. French, Japanese, Latin etc. are languages.

SQL is a "database computer language" there's a big big big difference

[bluedes]

[left]


No. SQL is not a language. French, Japanese, Latin etc. are languages.

SQL is a "database computer language" there's a big big big difference

SQL - structured query LANGUAGE

asa man ang language sa French? aww naa diay, French language.. hehe

bitaw.. SQL is a 4th generation programming language.. it has loops, functions, variables, if-else and even return statements..

[kamsky]

na-unsa na ni dre?

IMO, powerbuilder is not a programming language.. powerscript is..
Powerbuilder is like microsoft access.. and microsoft access is not a programming language..

.Net is not a programming language, its a framework, or a library at most..
CGI is definitely not a programming language..

VB is..

MFC is not..

SQL is a language, anybody want to contest this?

that wikipedia list is too much.. powerbuilder? butangan pud ta nya ug ms access..

ironically, shamelessly pasted infos from wiki but nobody believes the 'List of Programming Languages'?

re: powerbuilder. that's true in a strict classification. I even noted that if you heard powerscript. But someone demoting powerbuilder as not programming language and as if nothing. And failed to mention that there's an integral programming language. As of now, you cant really separate programming language and the IDE in PB. Nobody hires you as powerscript programmers man. They hire powebuilder programmers -- that assumes you know powerscript. I think that's the context of this thread not just asking programming language but a programming language for his career. You cant tell the TS as 'learn powerscript bai' right? Better way to say it is 'learn PB bai'!

Also, dont assume if you start powerbuilder you will have a bad start in learning programming. Some people learn backward like some people learn OOP by playing around with UML tool (as opposed to learn OOP first then UML). I learn HTML first, then Perl/CGI before I became Java developer, then became architect, then came back to a developer.

Someone said, powerbuilder? it's just cut and paste thingy!! Cant handle custom algorithm. Now that's arrogance. LOL@custom algorithm. If you cant do good algorithm, check the programmer first, not the programming language.

[kamsky]

I remembered ... I did give you guys info on what programming languages I am currently using.
Can I have the pleasure of knowing your forte? Most especially dodie, mark and kamsky

I am doing mostly in Java -- (you're asking programming right? So Java the language, not java the platform kay basin naa puy n00b nga mo-nitpick).

I had C/C++, PHP3 experience and some tikdol-tikdol with perl, python, ruby, coldfusion.

I am designing/implementing APIs for the company. Also doing some common services in SOAP/web services and some vendor technology like OIM, HP ServiceCenter, Marimba and lots buzzwords here.

[bluedes]

ironically, shamelessly pasted infos from wiki but nobody believes the 'List of Programming Languages'?

re: powerbuilder. that's true in a strict classification. I even noted that if you heard powerscript. But someone demoting powerbuilder as not programming language and as if nothing. And failed to mention that there's an integral programming language. As of now, you cant really separate programming language and the IDE in PB. Nobody hires you as powerscript programmers man. They hire powebuilder programmers -- that assumes you know powerscript. I think that's the context of this thread not just asking programming language but a programming language for his career. You cant tell the TS as 'learn powerscript bai' right? Better way to say it is 'learn PB bai'!

Also, dont assume if you start powerbuilder you will have a bad start in learning programming. Some people learn backward like some people learn OOP by playing around with UML tool (as opposed to learn OOP first then UML). I learn HTML first, then Perl/CGI before I became Java developer, then became architect, then came back to a developer.

Someone said, powerbuilder? it's just cut and paste thingy!! Cant handle custom algorithm. Now that's arrogance. LOL@custom algorithm. If you cant do good algorithm, check the programmer first, not the programming language.

don't worry, i get your point bro.. PB and PS cannot be separated as of the moment.. its like saying Flash and Actionscript cannot be separated.. (but maybe not a good example, coz action script can be used as server side scripting language)

anyway.. check the programmer first, not the programming language.. mutuo jud ko ani.. because with a seemingly simple ms excel/access and VBA, you can do a whole lot of things jud..

[MarkCuering]

"As a result of its sophisticated connectivity, and the efficiency of the DataWindow, PowerBuilder applications have been observed to outperform many other competing applications in terms of the number of seconds it takes to retrieve data from a database and display it to the user."

Oh MY goodness… you still doesn’t understand LOL…

What year is this you referring to? With respect to PowerBuilder? Observed to outperform many of other competing application? Damnshit! I spend almost entire of my night to compare this to LINQ which Visual Studio introduced me. It doesn’t even contain single/tiny features that it replaces the new Visual Studio 2008, how much more in upcoming Visual Studio 2010.

The datawindow you mentioned here is an oldschool style. I agree that it someway it outperforms the features of Visual Studio way back a decade of years ago, but if you are referring as of this year. Man, get Visual Studio and start working with LINQ, new features of DataBinding, Database Connectivity not only across the network but thru public sites, and pretty more to talk about.

What third party? ].

You don’t know what third party I am talking here? Check it here FYI Intel Software Development Products for Windows* - Intel® Software Network all of that is integrated on Visual Studio.

Talking about Oracle? Check it http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...pnet/indx.html

Now let me ask you one thing, when was the last time these native DB’s (Company) you mentioned released new supports for PowerBuilder Developers?

I don't see anything wrong with a company that rides along the waves of technological development.

1.5 Years is a very long time to wait, if it supports Oracle, MSSQL, and other DB’s what will happen if there are new version released by these Company? What will happen if new OS comes in? 1.5 Years will be converted unto 3 years or more… that’s why PowerBuilder was DEAD for long years. Perhaps you can guess why… New language Emerged, enhanced version of DB’s, New Server OS, New Release Desktop OS, New Release Hardware and more which Sybase couldn’t grasp.

If you still insist that this is a RADTOOL for Database Developers, you got to be kidding me. LINQ knock it down! Check Visual Studio and LINQ features, where you can MAP Database Records into C# Objects, thus allowing you to code in C# standpoint. Newly improved binding of data into your Desktop Forms… You can Visualize the construction and relationship of your database like UML styles, and there soooooooo plenty to discussed, If we can only seat down in 1 computer just to show you how it works on Visual Studio Team System 2008 especially on the Database Edition, I would be glad to do that.

This knowledge in Visual Studio is only up to 2008 version, and there is 2010 coming, which includes “Database Schema Extensibility” from Team System 2010.

Now PowerBuilder is trying to get back out from its funeral! But I don’t know if they still can attract new professionals to use PB, not counting on their current customers. Microsoft has its all. The Visual Studio is developed with respect to their Desktop OS, DB servers, Network Servers, and to the entire Technology they offered. PowerBuilder is what? It’s just a piece of shit! Trying to get back for the sake of their PB customers and loyalist? Or for the sake of their dying customers?

Despite of some minor competency Microsoft still allows Sybase to develop the new PB on their Visual Studio via Isolated Shell, it’s not because Sybase owns another DB server, but this surely attracts software companies to develop more application on Microsoft Windows Platform. Perhaps the main target for PB now, is to add some extended support for their own Database Product, that’s all I can guess for now, because if you want to talk about the new PB as a new RADTOOL… hold on! It’s not yet even released for its first version!

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sorry to rain on your parade bro.. but visual studio is still slooooooowwwwww..

bitaw, nice na sya pang RAD, pas2x jud tinuod (ang development).. pero hinay japon muload..
do you still use cursor based connections? or dump tanan locally thru firehose (forward-only) and just do batch updates? just asking.. dugay2x na jud ko wa ka hilabot ani visual studio.. 2003 pa intawn to last nko ana..

i'm sure karon, mas-lig-on na jud tingale na ilang mga controls.. pero mao lage, hinayan japon ko.. i prefer to make web-based database appz naman gud karon.. mysql with php, and ext-js or gwt front-end..

[dodie]

@uchihacirxe
The meaning of SQL is. Structured query language.
hahaha. It's a langauge intended for database. I think you do not know SQL because you didn't quite gave the correct answer of that ABBREVIATION. hahahaha. Go back to school.

RAD means rapid application development. Fast development!!!! As you can see, RAD really is good when it comes to meet the deadlines because it's fast, but RAD is only a tool, it only rides on the existing platform (MS windows) <---


@kamsky
you can't run powerbuilder in linux. Some will just use wine or emulator, but still consumes resources... lol!!!!