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  1. #821

    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    did I ever say ok nga mangawat? Akong point is... smalltime or bigtime.. they are both kawatan... pero if one of them testifies against the other, imbis tanawn ang validity sa testimony... were resort to labelling that person as a thief as well and we lose focus on the content of the testimony... that's essentially what's happening here. I couldnt care less about Trillanes and Jinggoy... they are all most likely corrupt but the meat of the discussion here is the truthfullness of the expose on corruption that may go all the way up the chain of command.
    for me mas worst pa si trillanes og jinggoy, why? jinggoy was convicted right together with his father pero unsa man nahitabo nahimo pa hinuong senador. si trillanes nag coup d e'tat kay naa kuno corruption pero iya mama supplier sa AFP kay naay power tungod sa iyang papa nga member pud sa AFP pero unsay nahitabo nahimong senador.

    i'm not saying here that reyes was a saint. but, he was convicted of anything? moingon ka THRUTHFULLNESS, why in the world karon ra man nitingog ni si rabusa kay naa silay agreement with jinggoy and trillanes nga dili siya makiha even apil siya sa pangawat? mao nay gusto nimo mahitabo? unya ang iyang nakawat tabla na lang?

    di lang gud ta magpakalimpyo kay hilas ra kaayo paminawon labi na kung atong family involve and active sa politics!!!

  2. #822
    Quote Originally Posted by networkguy View Post
    I hope dili maapil imong idol ni.
    I hope also nga you focus on the topic.... OT na ni.

    Kung gitarong pa bitaw nila ang investigation dili unta personalan naa unta ta makuha gikan kang reyes kung unsa jud ang tinuod. unya lisod sad kaayo ng pasangil lang oi di na lalim... tell me beh kinsa limpyo nga politicians? kadaot natong mga Pilipino storya pa lang gani walay klarong ebidensiya ato na i-condemn ang tao, kung sa atong tagsa-tagsa ka pamilya ni mahitabo malipay kaha ta?
    imho , mas grabe pa to ang na experience ni Gen Ligot kaysa ni Reyes pero how come no one is feeling sorry for Ligot? Gi apli na gud ni Jinggoy ug patawag iyang asawa.

    Just because nag hikog si Reyes... luoy dayon mga people diri for him unya mangita dayong ug i-blame. Its obvious nga dali ra kaayo madala sa emotions mga tao diri... Kung si Gen Ligot ang naghikog.. basin ma luoy sad mo ato niya. My point is..... sa ma-igo lang. Naay tao nga sobra na ka bagag nawng nga di na madutlan ug storya... pero naay uban nga ma consiensya pa gamay.

    Also , we keep talking about evidence.... anyone who was watching the hearing and heard the testimonies from both sides can make his/her own judgment. Kita mga pinoy walay bilib sa atong own capability mu gamit ug basic logic ug common sense to determine who's right and wrong.

    IF this happened to my family... unya akong relative ang involved... I would admit the mistake and apologize to the people for betraying their trust.

    Sakto na nang larga larga sa U.S. every 4 months oi... HK and SG every 2 months... maulaw mo dapat....

  3. #823
    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    I hope also nga you focus on the topic.... OT na ni.



    imho , mas grabe pa to ang na experience ni Gen Ligot kaysa ni Reyes pero how come no one is feeling sorry for Ligot? Gi apli na gud ni Jinggoy ug patawag iyang asawa.

    Just because nag hikog si Reyes... luoy dayon mga people diri for him unya mangita dayong ug i-blame. Its obvious nga dali ra kaayo madala sa emotions mga tao diri... Kung si Gen Ligot ang naghikog.. basin ma luoy sad mo ato niya. My point is..... sa ma-igo lang. Naay tao nga sobra na ka bagag nawng nga di na madutlan ug storya... pero naay uban nga ma consiensya pa gamay.

    Also , we keep talking about evidence.... anyone who was watching the hearing and heard the testimonies from both sides can make his/her own judgment. Kita mga pinoy walay bilib sa atong own capability mu gamit ug basic logic ug common sense to determine who's right and wrong.

    IF this happened to my family... unya akong relative ang involved... I would admit the mistake and apologize to the people for betraying their trust.

    Sakto na nang larga larga sa U.S. every 4 months oi... HK and SG every 2 months... maulaw mo dapat....
    gi quote lang teka so ngaonong ma OT man ko: "Drama and Propaganda gyud... I hope more people in the government grow a conscience and shoot themselves"

    walay bilib? sobra hinuon ka bilib kay mo husga gud dayon... kapila naman ng mga witnesses sa senate napalpak kay puro ra bakak. why not bring this matter to the court if ingon ana jud ka lig-on ang mga ebidensiya kuno?

    Nganong ikaw man ang mo apologize nga imong relative man ang involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by godwhacker View Post

    hahahaha! surambaw man ning kang Trillianes! ug ngano kahang ipa thrilling2 pa jud ang pag ngalan aning POWERFUL person behind Garcia. name them all so we can cast the stones. pa dugay2 pa aron naay lain scapegoat.

    TRILLIANES: the BOY who cried wolf.

  5. #825
    Quote Originally Posted by networkguy View Post
    for me mas worst pa si trillanes og jinggoy, why? jinggoy was convicted right together with his father pero unsa man nahitabo nahimo pa hinuong senador. si trillanes nag coup d e'tat kay naa kuno corruption pero iya mama supplier sa AFP kay naay power tungod sa iyang papa nga member pud sa AFP pero unsay nahitabo nahimong senador.
    Then dapat sad ni sila ipa priso... pero that doesn't mean dili nalang sad ta mu deal with the issue which is on the corruption sa AFP. Mahulog siguro mga hyppocrite ni sila for speaking out against corruption when naa sad silay own share of binuang. Pero no one is preventing anyone from filing a case against them... Asa man ang mga witnesses ani and let's hear their testimonies...

    i'm not saying here that reyes was a saint. but, he was convicted of anything? moingon ka THRUTHFULLNESS, why in the world karon ra man nitingog ni si rabusa kay naa silay agreement with jinggoy and trillanes nga dili siya makiha even apil siya sa pangawat? mao nay gusto nimo mahitabo? unya ang iyang nakawat tabla na lang?
    he already admitted to his guilt of receiving 50 million (without asking for it) and not doing anything about the corruption in the AFP so court conviction is not needed.

    Again, let's hear the testimonies, if these people being accused will also say nga apil si Rabusa or kinsa pa man diha then let's charge them all for the crimes they committed.

    di lang gud ta magpakalimpyo kay hilas ra kaayo paminawon labi na kung atong family involve and active sa politics!!!
    I'm sorry if your perception is nga tanan tao in politics kay hugaw pero there are good politicians out there who are truly in it for public service. Also, OT nasad ka... let's stick to the topic... 3rd time na ni. Let's just stick to the issue... walang personalan bai.
    Last edited by vipvip68; 02-15-2011 at 05:29 PM.

  6. #826
    Quote Originally Posted by networkguy View Post
    why not bring this matter to the court if ingon ana jud ka lig-on ang mga ebidensiya kuno?
    1. Because the court is infested with GMA's henchmen
    2. Ombudsman Guttierez

    Nganong ikaw man ang mo apologize nga imong relative man ang involved?
    I'm referring to the scenario if family ka sa usa ka official nga nag hikog because of links to corruption and accepting 50 million and sige larga larga

    I would apologize because first and foremost, dead men (relative) can't apologize. Second, although you are not directly responsible, as public servants you owe an apology to the people for what your relative did. You have to remember that its the people's money that allowed your relative to support you and so you apologize on behalf of the family for betrayal of public trust.

  7. #827
    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    IF Jinggoy and Trillanes helped Reyes grow a conscience which led to him killing himself.. I would say that they did a service to the country... .I hope many others will follow suit. Baga' na kaayo ug mga nawng mga people in the government. They forget that they are first and foremost public servants....

    P.S. to Jinggoy and Trillanes... please invite Ombudsman Guttierez and GMA to the senate.... I hope they also grow a conscience and kill themselves to save the people the trouble of impeaching/prosecuting them.

    If the Filipinos didnt vote for people like Trillanes...we'd still have Ange Reyes alive today enjoying his 50 million pabaon and His wife would still go on vacation every 4 mos to the U.S. and to HK and SG every 2 mos. and live in their house in California. Hah!

    Im not here to make conspiracy theories.. the phone call between GMA and Reyes was confirmed by ret. Navy Commodore Rex Robles... details of the conversation were on the newspapers the day after Reyes killed himself.

    Finally... Let me tell you something..... Blood was on reyes' hands the moment he accepted corruption as a way of life in the AFP.

    At that very moment... he killed whatever honor and reputation he had. It just took 2 senators to make him realize it.
    so it is also a service to Filipino in supporting one of the top ten most corrupt people in the world (back by transprency international)? isnt that selective judgment. 50M pesos vs multi million $ corruption ni Erap. And yet they are the head of this senate hearing. what can you say about that vip? Erap isnt corrupt lol these two should follow angie's lead as if wa sila kadawat ug corruption.

    yet another contradiction from you, you say that this plea bargain is illegal and you dont like it. ask yourself kung walang plea bargain naa ba senate hearing kay Garcia ? senate hearing ni garcia mo focus sila kay Reyes lol

    Theres no such thing to my knowledge that laglagan issue you saying ive been long waiting for your links till now wala it should had been sensationalized in headlines if theres a truth to it. GMA called Reyes for a different reason, as i recall she was asking why angie had quarrel with golez.

    the idiomatic expression "Blood in his hand" does not apply to the person who kill himself. how can a dead person grows guilt beh?

  8. #828
    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    so it is also a service to Filipino in supporting one of the top ten most corrupt people in the world (back by transprency international)? isnt that selective judgment. 50M pesos vs multi million $ corruption ni Erap. And yet they are the head of this senate hearing. what can you say about that vip? Erap isnt corrupt lol these two should follow angie's lead as if wa sila kadawat ug corruption.
    Again... just because im against Reyes and Co. doesn't mean nga support ko ni Jinggoy. I hope he and more specifically his dad shoot themselves.

    yet another contradiction from you, you say that this plea bargain is illegal and you dont like it. ask yourself kung walang plea bargain naa ba senate hearing kay Garcia ? senate hearing ni garcia mo focus sila kay Reyes lol
    Some logic you got there...angay diay ta magpasalamat sa Ombudsman for bungling the case....lol!

    if wala pa mangawat si Garcia.. there wouldn't be need for plea bargain and there wouldn't be a need for a senate hearing over their objections to the Ombudsman's plea bargain agreement.

    Theres no such thing to my knowledge that laglagan issue you saying ive been long waiting for your links till now wala it should had been sensationalized in headlines if theres a truth to it. GMA called Reyes for a different reason, as i recall she was asking why angie had quarrel with golez.
    I read it on the newspaper sunstar or cdn the day after the suicide. You forgot to mention that GMA called regarding the letter of Reyes to Trillanes on Gen Garcia.

    the idiomatic expression "Blood in his hand" does not apply to the person who kill himself. how can a dead person grows guilt beh?
    lol... to have "Blood on his hands" is an idiomatic expression of being responsible for the death of someone.

    Obviously a dead person cannot feel guilt... at least not anymore (cos he's dead. lol) ... lol... I don't even know what point you're trying to make here..

    The act of suicide makes the person responsible for his own death which could be caused by factors like depression, guilt, losing face etc.
    Last edited by vipvip68; 02-15-2011 at 05:26 PM.

  9. #829
    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    1. Because the court is infested with GMA's henchmen
    2. Ombudsman Guttierez



    I'm referring to the scenario if family ka sa usa ka official nga nag hikog because of links to corruption and accepting 50 million and sige larga larga

    I would apologize because first and foremost, dead men (relative) can't apologize. Second, although you are not directly responsible, as public servants you owe an apology to the people for what your relative did. You have to remember that its the people's money that allowed your relative to support you and so you apologize on behalf of the family for betrayal of public trust.
    Lahi naman ang DOJ karon...

    tell me kinsa pa man ang ni apologize kay nangawat sila sa gobyerno maski obvious na kaayo? did the estrada's do that?

    obvious lag kaayo ka nga init kaayo ka sa mga reyes kay segi jud ka balik-balik anang larga... wa gani ka mention sa 80M nga nadawat ni cimatu kung tinuod man jud na ha.

  10. #830
    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    Again... just because im against Reyes and Co. doesn't mean nga support ko ni Jinggoy. I hope he and more specifically his dad shoot themselves.
    Trillanes your idol support Erap, remember oakwood Jinggoy benefit from his dad. are they heroes ?

    Some logic you got there...angay diay ta magpasalamat sa Ombudsman for bungling the case....lol!
    ngano man pud magpasalamat ta for people voting Trillanes as you had said? it was Garcia who shed light and it is his hearing.

    if wala pa mangawat si Garcia.. there wouldn't be need for plea bargain and there wouldn't be a need for a senate hearing over their objections to the Ombudsman's plea bargain agreement.
    nangawat man si Garcia and he was proven guilty and ask for plea bargain. so naa na hearing, so whats your point? you just repeated what i said now why should we thank Jinggoy and Trillanes for this hearing? it was made possible with that bargain.

    I read it on the newspaper sunstar or cdn the day after the suicide. You forgot to mention that GMA called regarding the letter of Reyes to Trillanes on Gen Garcia.
    please enlighten us with that laglagan issue beh. links please.

    PS i have not forgotten that its all over the news and imong laglagan lang wa.


    lol... to have "Blood on his hands" is an idiomatic expression of being responsible for the death of someone.

    Obviously a dead person cannot feel guilt... at least not anymore (cos he's dead. lol) ... lol... I don't even know what point you're trying to make here..

    The act of suicide makes the person responsible for his own death which could be caused by factors like depression, guilt, losing face etc.
    so why did you said blood on reyes hand ? and ask not to drag Jinggoy and Trillanes but implicate GMA lol


    why i have the feeling that different people are using your account? it seems you are not aware of what you had said.

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