K to 12 suspension sought amid school woes authored by Sen. Antonio “Sonny’’ F. Trillanes IV

[pak88]

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Okay Mr. Expert on the matter. Why don't you publish a paper on the matter and not just blabber on anonymous Forums like this. Its better to disseminate information for the understanding of the people rather than expressing your expertise here. That way your claimed expertise can benefit people. It is better rather than discredit a senator and a lawyer's opinion on the matter.

I read what I need to and there are just too many questions to implement a half baked change that will cost a lot of money. With the lack of funding in education even in the present setup without the K-12, it just doomed to fail.

I don't claim. I was telling you that I am and I was educating you on the matter. Since, your opinions are baseless and you are not in the field of education (with the hesitation to read), you will not understand any of these.



Yes. There are other countries as well who are still opening its doors to us.



Yes. Because they don't understand the theory of learning.



Because they are.

You will never have an argument, not unless you understand. You will never understand, because you won't read (if not paid). Re-read what I have written and assimilate.

At least, next time you won't be blabbering opinions anymore.

From: An Expert

[NudgeDELTA]

Okay Mr. Expert on the matter. Why don't you publish a paper on the matter and not just blabber on anonymous Forums like this. Its better to disseminate information for the understanding of the people rather than expressing your expertise here. That way your claimed expertise can benefit people. It is better rather than discredit a senator and a lawyer's opinion on the matter.

I read what I need to and there are just too many questions to implement a half baked change that will cost a lot of money. With the lack of funding in education even in the present setup without the K-12, it just doomed to fail.

Touché.

Done and done. As a PhD graduate, I made a paper on the topic. As a school owner, I've made my part in information dissemination. This applies as an information dissemination as well. Now you've been educated.

Opinion that needs to be proved by statistics. I've answered your questions exhaustively, but again to reiterate, you won't understand not unless you read. People who don't read and who don't understand the issue fully don't have the business of arguing on the topic. As for your term "blabber", my posts aren't foolish and mindless. I have the benefit of backing it up with studies and findings from the government. It's time for the anti K-12 to make their study to disprove the validity of the law.

Come to think of it, have they?

Unless you have:

1. have read exhaustively about the topic and not just baseless articles from a senator and lawyer;
2. have tried to study in the public sector;
3. have earned your PhD in education;
4. have written a thesis or dissertation on the issue;
5. have worked in the Department of Education or National Statistics Office;

the term "blabber" applies to you.

[pak88]

I am not the one blabbering about the promise of K-12 education which is defective. The promised employment of high school graduates to work abroad because they took short courses in high school is a fallacy and a pipe dream. It is laughable argument for the K-12 since graduates would still have a hard time gaining employment after two years of additional costs (e.g. the caregiving industry which only schools are the ones who profited). Only the people connected to the education industry would benefit from this.

Just because you have a claimed background on education does not mean you are always right on the matter because a lot of factors will doom this program from the start. Lack of money for one the and the lack of teacher training. The country’s public elementary and high school still lacked some 50,921 classrooms, 74,178 in teachers, 123,196 toilets, 62.4 million in textbooks and about 1.3 million in classroom chairs. What statistics and hard evidence have you to offer in support of the K-12 other than your "claimed" background?

Touché.

Done and done. As a PhD graduate, I made a paper on the topic. As a school owner, I've made my part in information dissemination. This applies as an information dissemination as well. Now you've been educated.

Opinion that needs to be proved by statistics. I've answered your questions exhaustively, but again to reiterate, you won't understand not unless you read. People who don't read and who don't understand the issue fully don't have the business of arguing on the topic. As for your term "blabber", my posts aren't foolish and mindless. I have the benefit of backing it up with studies and findings from the government. It's time for the anti K-12 to make their study to disprove the validity of the law.

Come to think of it, have they?

Unless you have:

1. have read exhaustively about the topic and not just baseless articles from a senator and lawyer;
2. have tried to study in the public sector;
3. have earned your PhD in education;
4. have written a thesis or dissertation on the issue;
5. have worked in the Department of Education or National Statistics Office;

the term "blabber" applies to you.

[NudgeDELTA]

I am not the one blabbering about the promise of K-12 education which is defective. The promised employment of high school graduates to work abroad because they took short courses in high school is a fallacy and a pipe dream. It is laughable argument for the K-12 since graduates would still have a hard time gaining employment after two years of additional costs (e.g. the caregiving industry which only schools are the ones who profited). Only the people connected to the education industry would benefit from this.

Just because you have a claimed background on education does not mean you are always right on the matter because a lot of factors will doom this program from the start. Lack of money for one the and the lack of teacher training. The country’s public elementary and high school still lacked some 50,921 classrooms, 74,178 in teachers, 123,196 toilets, 62.4 million in textbooks and about 1.3 million in classroom chairs. What statistics and hard evidence have you to offer in support of the K-12 other than your "claimed" background?

Unless you can disprove the program, your are blabbering.

[pak88]

Same old argument without presenting any facts to support it... That is why the K-12 program is so unpopular.

Unless you can disprove the program, your are blabbering.

[NudgeDELTA]

For the benefit of those who do not know, who do not understand, those incapable of understanding, and those who will never understand:

http://www.donboscopress.ph/wp-conte...-Education.pdf
THE ENHANCED K+12 BASIC EDUCATION PROGRAM RATIONALE | perj blog
http://www.depedregion6.ph/pdf/The_E...on_Program.pdf
ISSUU - RATIONALE ON K+12 by Mark Angelo Roma

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Same old argument without presenting any facts to support it... That is why the K-12 program is so unpopular.

Likewise.

[NudgeDELTA]

If we want our country
and our graduates to be competitive globally, then adding two more years in our basic
education is a must. If other developing countries can afford to change their educational
system in order to adopt the international norm, then there is no reason for the Philippines to
be left behind.

Costs and Benefits of Adding Two More Years

[pak88]

For those not being able to see the hard facts other than what the government serves them up:

The country’s public elementary and high school still lacked some 50,921 classrooms, 74,178 in teachers, 123,196 toilets, 62.4 million in textbooks and about 1.3 million in classroom chairs.

Spending in education was 2.3% of GDP as compared to 3+% a decade ago. This problem is exacerbated by inflation, the increase in population and therefore the number of new students.

Given the backlog in facilities and the spending cuts, would it be wise to add the number of years? It seems that the government is focusing on the quantity over the quality of education.

The dropout rate in grade school staggering. Of 100 students who start Grade 1, only 42 will graduate in high school. With the increase in the number of years of schooling, the rates would even be higher.

Its time to analyze these cold hard facts and analyze and ask questions rather than take in what the government studies show you.

For the benefit of those who do not know, who do not understand, those incapable of understanding, and those who will never understand:

http://www.donboscopress.ph/wp-conte...-Education.pdf
THE ENHANCED K+12 BASIC EDUCATION PROGRAM RATIONALE | perj blog
http://www.depedregion6.ph/pdf/The_E...on_Program.pdf
ISSUU - RATIONALE ON K+12 by Mark Angelo Roma

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Likewise.

[NudgeDELTA]

For those not being able to see the hard facts other than what the government serves them up:

The country’s public elementary and high school still lacked some 50,921 classrooms, 74,178 in teachers, 123,196 toilets, 62.4 million in textbooks and about 1.3 million in classroom chairs.

Spending in education was 2.3% of GDP as compared to 3+% a decade ago. This problem is exacerbated by inflation, the increase in population and therefore the number of new students.

Given the backlog in facilities and the spending cuts, would it be wise to add the number of years? It seems that the government is focusing on the quantity over the quality of education.

The dropout rate in grade school staggering. Of 100 students who start Grade 1, only 42 will graduate in high school. With the increase in the number of years of schooling, the rates would even be higher.

Its time to analyze these cold hard facts and analyze and ask questions rather than take in what the government studies show you.

Post links for verification or they're going to remain as made-up numbers.

[NudgeDELTA]

For facts and to avoid bickering false pretenses from parties that don't know what they're talking about, check the facts from the source:

DepEd lacks resources to address its current input shortages. With K to 12 and its added resource needs, how will this be addressed?

All input shortages will be wiped out before the end of 2013. A 1:1 ratio for student-to-textbook and student-to-seat will be achieved within SY 2012-2013. Shortages in classrooms, teachers, and toilets will be fully addressed next year.
The DepEd budget received a 23% increase in 2013 and budgetary requirements for K to 12 will be included in succeeding appropriations for full implementation.
We also have the support of local government units and private partners to build the needed infrastructure.

All Facts About the K-12 Program