MERGED: All about CBCP/bishop's "gifts" from PCSO/GMA

[masterjanuarius]

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its ok raman na nagdawat ang churce ug money from PCSO as long as gigamit ug tarong ang funds... pro unfair sa uban religion na walay assistance sa PCSO... ang pinas dili ra biya catholic ang namuyo naa pud bya ubay ubay nga lain ug religion,,,, tsk tsk tsk,,,,,

I think bro, it is unfair for us, catholics, why we are singled out .. or our bishops and institutions .. of course, there should be many other institutions and denominations and religions benefiting from the PCSO fund .. but, they are not singled out because they are not criticizing this government, they are not vocal against RH Bill, they are not voicing their concerns publicly, Jerimiah the prophet called such as, "false prophets, filling their bellies from the table of the kings by telling all is well and good with the people of israel" ..No bro, they have to destroy the credibility of the bishops and the church so that they can manipulate the filipino people with their own agenda .. and they start by the PCSO/PAGCOR aid to the charitable institutions of the Church .. they never know that the poor are the ones who are hit most by these ..

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Bro, before criticizing the good bishop, by saying it is used for the good of the people of basilan .. for relief goods and outreach program .. I advise you to go Isabel, Basilan and see for yourself .. if the bishop is telling the truth .. bring cameras to document your findings .. and then, with those documents, you can criticize them or judge them .. otherwise, what your saying here will always be taken as "women's long talk"!
I salute the bishops who are not afraid to tell the turth about this government .. and are not afraid even if the same government is destroying their credibility .. as Jesus puts it: "be afraid instead of the One who can destroy both body and soul!"

Ngano manghilabot man sad sila sa government? nakalimot siguro sila sa separation of church og state. Wala siguro ni basa-basa sila og constitution, gitudlo man unta ni sa undergrad. Ang country nga hilabtan gani og church (includes all religion) wala gyud asenso, try to look around ayaw lang og focus sa imong self or sa philippines.

[masterjanuarius]

Ngano manghilabot man sad sila sa government? nakalimot siguro sila sa separation of church og state. Wala siguro ni basa-basa sila og constitution, gitudlo man unta ni sa undergrad. Ang country nga hilabtan gani og church (includes all religion) wala gyud asenso, try to look around ayaw lang og focus sa imong self or sa philippines.

Bro, there is a thin line dividing the Church and the State bro! Kay ang myembro sa State, myembro sad sa Simbahan .. ang mga obispo, filipino citizens lang gihapon and enjoying the same privileges and responsibilities like you and me ... If I can criticize the government? then, what is holding the bishops to do so? we have the same privileges and responsibilities as citizens of this country .. Siguro mas kinahanglan ang ilang mga tingog because the one thing that holds the fabric of our society, well and good is Moral Law! Some of the Bishop may have failed in their good judgment and prudence, but it will not be reason enough to be silent when they have to shout for the good of our filipino society ...

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Bro, there is a thin line dividing the Church and the State bro! Kay ang myembro sa State, myembro sad sa Simbahan .. ang mga obispo, filipino citizens lang gihapon and enjoying the same privileges and responsibilities like you and me ... If I can criticize the government? then, what is holding the bishops to do so? we have the same privileges and responsibilities as citizens of this country .. Siguro mas kinahanglan ang ilang mga tingog because the one thing that holds the fabric of our society, well and good is Moral Law! Some of the Bishop may have failed in their good judgment and prudence, but it will not be reason enough to be silent when they have to shout for the good of our filipino society ...

tinood ka there is a thin line dividing OUR church and state or its already mixed up. this should not happen, try to look other country kung nanghilabot ba mga churches. hinoon pilipinas man sad ni, we need a duterte to run our country para mabut-an ta. kung mo-ingon man gud ka og "it will not be reason enough to be silent when they have to shout for the good of our filipino society ..." <-- wala ka kabantay nga linabayay lang og lapok ang bishops og government? unya kinsa man ang ala-ot, ang naghulog og sibot og ang nagbayad tax. paet kaayo brader.

[eax]

Not new on this. Cardinal Vidal bitaw nakadawat pud siya ug kuwarta during ni Erap.

[masterjanuarius]

tinood ka there is a thin line dividing OUR church and state or its already mixed up. this should not happen, try to look other country kung nanghilabot ba mga churches. hinoon pilipinas man sad ni, we need a duterte to run our country para mabut-an ta. kung mo-ingon man gud ka og "it will not be reason enough to be silent when they have to shout for the good of our filipino society ..." <-- wala ka kabantay nga linabayay lang og lapok ang bishops og government? unya kinsa man ang ala-ot, ang naghulog og sibot og ang nagbayad tax. paet kaayo brader.

Bro, kung duna mixed up, siguro sa parte sa mga myembro sa simbahan nga anaa na sa kagamhanan .. kay ilang nakalimtan ang usa ka kamatuoran: bisan public officials na sila, they are still membrs of the churches or religion they come from; thus they are bound to behave and dispose their functions, even public, with utmost respect to their christian faith (with its morals and ethics) or Islamic faith or whatsoever, the Bill of Rights and the common good of the filipino people. Ang naka pait, ilang nakalimtan nga myembro sila sa simbahan .. unya, in front of the media pa gani, go against their pastors (bishops) and their christian duties and obligations ... kung mosunod pa lang unta ni sila sa ilang pagkakristiano, mamaayo ang pilipinas .. walay kurakot ug ang anaa mao ang maayong serbisyo lamang para sa tanan .. ug ang mga obispo, manghilom ra jud unta.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Indeed another RC thread bashing .

Mileading topic .

Ayaw ninyo ipagawas na gi suburnuhan ang simbahan .

Locking this .

[legal_cd]

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - The president of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) has said the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO) should stop singling out Catholic leaders and also name other religious groups that had received sport utility vehicles (SUVs) and cash from the Arroyo administration.

Tandag Bishop Nereo Odchimar said the focus on the bishops might be due to the Church's critical stance against President Benigno Aquino III's administration, particularly regarding the reproductive health (RH) bill.

"There are other beneficiaries who are not from the Catholic Church. That is why others are asking why [the PCSO is] pinpointing Catholic bishops," Odchimar told reporters.

"Is it because some of the bishops are critical? Is it because of the bishops' position on the RH bill?" he said.

'Unfair'

Davao Archbishop Fernando Capalla made similar remarks to the CBCP News.

"If there's malice in those donations to Catholic bishops, the PCSO must also identify all the other recipients from other churches," he said.

Capalla said PCSO donations to Catholic institutions were being used for relief efforts and poverty alleviation and health programs.

"I don't know why they take it [against] the bishops and make it appear scandalous," he said. "This is unfair. I challenge them to show the records--the real records, and not the twisted ones."

He also said the controversy "is really giving us priests a bad image."

Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles said it was the "main intention" of the PCSO to "destroy the credibility of the bishops."

"But we are not afraid of it," he said.

Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad said he was prepared to surrender the SUV bought with PCSO funds but maintained that the bishops would always be critical of leaders like Mr. Aquino "who is doing nothing for the country."

In an interview with Church-run Radio Veritas, Jumoad agreed that the PCSO was going after the Catholic hierarchy for being critical of the Aquino administration.

"We are always [in] critical collaboration [with] all Presidents because we want to be the voice in terms of telling the truth," the bishop said, adding:

"... [T]here are times that we collaborate and there are times that we denounce, particularly if the people are not being given attention in terms of welfare.

"Another thing is, the bishops have been very vocal in criticizing when a President is doing nothing for the country, like P-Noy (Mr. Aquino), who has been in his position for one year but we see no direction from him."

Jumoad said he was prepared to surrender the Mitsubishi Strada that was bought with P1.1 million from the PCSO.

He said the SUV was being used for medical and relief missions as well as in negotiations with kidnappers, "but ... if P-Noy wants to get it, it's ready."

Only charity

Jumoad warned Mr. Aquino that it would be "very difficult to govern a nation when we are divided."

"We have to cooperate and collaborate ... to work together and dialogue," the bishop said. "If you do not listen to us and if you only listen to those who will always praise you, then we will never move on."

Bishop Leopoldo Jaucian of Bangued, Abra, admitted that his diocese received P1.129 million from the PCSO on Jan. 16, 2009, as revealed in a series of exposes by the agency's new leadership installed by Mr. Aquino.

But he flatly denied PCSO Chair Margarita Juico's claim that the donations were part of then President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's purported effort to buy support from the bishops amid demands for her resignation.

"It was an honest-to-goodness assistance for the Diocese of Abra," Jaucian told the Inquirer on the phone. "It was a charitable assistance."

He pointed out that the donation was made in January 2009, or more than three years after the "Hello Garci" election fraud scandal erupted.

Jaucian said funds were offered to his diocese for the purchase of a vehicle so he and other Church workers could reach more of their flock, especially in the rough terrain of the province.

"We never solicited anything," he said.

Jaucian said the PCSO offer called for the diocese to "canvass" for a vehicle that would be useful for the ministry. He said diocesan employees came up with a list of possible purchases and picked the "cheapest," a Mitsubishi Strada pickup.

"I never used the pickup as a personal service vehicle; definitely not," he said. "It's being used to deliver goods especially to people in faraway villages in Abra."

COA report

In a news briefing, Mr. Aquino's deputy spokesperson Abigail Valte denied that the administration was singling out the Catholic Church in taking action against PCSO donations to religious groups.

"There is no singling out that is happening because what we are talking about is the Commission on Audit report for 2008-2009," Valte said.

"[In the report] they were the only ones found to have been given such. It's not because it's the Catholic Church," she said.

Valte pointed out that it was prohibited under the Constitution for the state to favor any religious entity. She said such donations were also prohibited even if other religions or denominations were involved.

Asked if the prelates could be penalized in connection with the questioned PCSO donations, she said: "It depends on the nature of the offense.

Bishop Odchimar said on Friday that the CBCP would decide what action to take on the issue at its plenary assembly next weekend.

Odchimar had also said the CBCP's individual members were "directly" responsible to the Pope and could not be forced to abide by the group's stand against accepting or soliciting donations from gambling.

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a thumbs up comment courtesy of Kaw pay Tek from Yahoo Phils:

The church of the poor run by prince's of the church.
They do not pay taxes,yet asks so much from the gov't.
They are not elected, but meddle so much in the affairs of the state.
They run schools no poor kid can study in.
They talk about the unborn, but doesnt care about those already born but sexually harassed by their priests in their dorms.
They talk about chastity but have difficulty keeping their celibacy.
Wolves in sheeps clothing.
Modern day pharisees.
New generation of vipers, woe unto you!

[nightzlayer]

Na man gud silay gi ingun brod na " Ayaw tan-awa ang among binuhatan kundi ang pag salig sa simbahan".. hehehehhe... but u have a point brod agree ko nimu...
But para nako faith nalang jud nimu sa imong religion ang trust in the name of the church as house of Jesus Christ/GOD..... In some point, sakto pud ang bishop murag gi personal pud sila?... Faith brod.. faith...

a thumbs up comment courtesy of Kaw pay Tek from Yahoo Phils:

the church of the poor run by prince's of the church, they do not pay taxes,yet asks so much from the gov't. they are not elected, but meddle so much in the affairs of the state.they run schools no poor kid can study in.they talk about the unborn, but doesnt care about those already born but sexually harassed by their priests in their dorms.they talk about chastity but have difficulty keeping their celibacy.wolves in sheeps clothing. modern day pharisees. you generation of vipers. woe unto you!