Putting faith in its place

[tarpolano]

---

Exactly, why use logic to prove something that is illogical in nature?

I think we have reached a common ground here that faith is illogical.. it is illogical for me because it simply fails logic tests and as per your definition it's "illogical in nature" and that is that I have no qualms with it. Now why use logic? It does not show the reason why the video used logic but for me.. why not use logic? From time immemorial logic has been used to explain discovery may it be in a philosophical standpoint or in scientific. Even to our day-to-day activities we use logic to seemingly make order of our daily lives. Doesn't it follow that believing on some deity needs logic also? as well as irrefutable evidence? if it's not logical? then why believe on such?

[tarpolano]

^That situation is product of an innocent and honest teaching perverted human savagery. They (fundies) are the modern Pharisees. Faith does not give you the right to condemn those who do not have it, on the contrary it obliges you to guide them (without assertion) and pray for them and love them.

About faith being forced, again, the mean is perverted, though the desired end is of a universal goodness, we cannot simply deny the fact that the beings (humans) carrying out the desired purpose of propagating faith has the blind tendency to abuse it.

OnTopic: Faith is already in its place, the believers are the ones that needs to be repositioned. At least not all.

I agree with your points here.. this video is meant to remind fundies and moderates alike where their faith's place is...

[Tirong-say]

Faith and religion was furnished by us Human beings of faith for the purpose of glorifying the devine one, it has teachings that is conducive towards the existence of humanity, humility, brotherhood, respect so on and so forth. Aside from human awareness of what is bad and what is good, it would augment our perception of how we will spent our day to day living in a humane way through spiritual perspective. Faith is so abstract in nature but one could see it's discernable content through it's effects, for one is motivated on what he contemplate, and thus if positive effects do transpire because one is believing on something, Is'nt it worthwhile to avail for it. But still the choice is always ours to decide....

[kebotDiNaMute]

I think you haven't truly grasped the idea of the video.. but as my past experiences with you.. it would really be a waste of my time and yours for me to explain and discuss the finer points of the video... this video is not about converting you or anybody else.. it's about one man's understanding of what religious faith really is and I happen to agree with it.. you can disagree with it and i don't really care.. you are a hopeless case which is a sentiment I share with all the users here..

Yes, because you are pushing the idea. Indeed bsan pa og given na TINOOD dili japon ka mo 2o... you know why? because you want an excuse... In the end its not about him, its about you running away from him... am i right?

[kebotDiNaMute]

I think we have reached a common ground here that faith is illogical.. it is illogical for me because it simply fails logic tests and as per your definition it's "illogical in nature" and that is that I have no qualms with it. Now why use logic? It does not show the reason why the video used logic but for me.. why not use logic? From time immemorial logic has been used to explain discovery may it be in a philosophical standpoint or in scientific. Even to our day-to-day activities we use logic to seemingly make order of our daily lives. Doesn't it follow that believing on some deity needs logic also? as well as irrefutable evidence? if it's not logical? then why believe on such?

if it's not logical? then why believe on such?
--- cge sugdan ni nato imo BASE.
Question:
1. Do you believe in LOVE? Being in-love is half insanity, you will do anything for it. Even give your own life for someone you Love...
2. Do you Love your Parents? will you die for them? Do you think this is illogical? REALLY?

By the way God is Love. You still cannot go away from it no matter how you try... We are all under his laws bounded by Love. Id rather not talk about it because your logic then again FAILS.

[tarpolano]

Faith and religion was furnished by us Human beings of faith for the purpose of glorifying the devine one, it has teachings that is conducive towards the existence of humanity, humility, brotherhood, respect so on and so forth. Aside from human awareness of what is bad and what is good, it would augment our perception of how we will spent our day to day living in a humane way through spiritual perspective. Faith is so abstract in nature but one could see it's discernable content through it's effects, for one is motivated on what he contemplate, and thus if positive effects do transpire because one is believing on something, Is'nt it worthwhile to avail for it. But still the choice is always ours to decide....

Thanks for the input... I can see your point and it is an ideal one.. but alas it is not what we see in the real world.. look at this forum for example.. u can see the bickering, the infighting, one religion says that theirs is the way and other one would disagree saying that theirs is the way... all these hatred and bigotry stems from their own brand of unquestioning faith... they would meddle with the lives of others because they have faith.. and that's very ironic.. I guess you are one of those few believers that has put faith on its place.. my hats off to you sir

[kebotDiNaMute]

I agree with your points here.. this video is meant to remind fundies and moderates alike where their faith's place is...

"moderates alike where their faith's place is"
Waa, karaan tiknik ni brad. Satan, use DOUBT to convince EVE. Tsk tsk tsk... You are not lieing but you are forcing people into doubt... hehehe!

So whats wrong in believing our God? My belief never kills People... we are in the service of saving lives. Other belief yes... Athiest YES! Abortion, oh yea, ATHIEST are soooo in favor right? hmmm... I wonder...

[Existanz]

imong mga linya dodong adunay vestige of hatred pod hahaha. ka hipokrito nimo.

wa man ko nagdumot,nag comment ra ko. ka kitid og utok.

nibusikad? wala man, okay ra man ko. graphics ra man ng iyang pusil,wala man kadolot. hahaha. kutob ra diri ang boto sa iyang pistolang kagar.

Good day Mr. Halik o Mr. Hudas, pandamay man sad ning imong nombre de guerra hehehe

I was really hoping you would reply again, so that I may offer you my sincere apology. My intention in posting my question was really an honest one, I just want really to know what makes logic ticks so much with certain people so much that it seems people who worship logic seems happy about it and I assumed, it makes them at peace with the world. And while we are at it, why not argue about it in a healthy manner.

Out of the blue what I get this flak from you...wala man lang kay nadugang for meaningful discussion in your attack on my question. But perhaps you're just being what you are naturally...I will understand from now on.

So, despite you being the one who throws the first banter to which I just reply in a chaffing way also, nevertheless its not a good excuse for me to do the same to you. I offer you my sincere I AM SORRY. I realized I broke the commandment to "turn the other cheek"...next time I will be a much better Christian because of you.

Peace brad!

[tarpolano]

"moderates alike where their faith's place is"
Waa, karaan tiknik ni brad. Satan, use DOUBT to convince EVE. Tsk tsk tsk... You are not lieing but you are forcing people into doubt... hehehe!

So whats wrong in believing our God? My belief never kills People... we are in the service of saving lives. Other belief yes... Athiest YES! Abortion, oh yea, ATHIEST are soooo in favor right? hmmm... I wonder...

what is your belief than? o holy then though?

[kebotDiNaMute]

what is your belief than? o holy then though?

My belief is I DON'T Believe in your proposal.