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  1. #771

    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    unya asa man kuno ka kapulot anang balita to restore Erap? ni sulti silang Trillanes ana?
    Bro, actually their main reason for the Coup d' etat nila trillanes is to topple down the arroyo administration. katong ila pasangil sa corruption sa militiray secondary na lang to, in fact wala jud sila ka sulti kung unsa nga klase nga corruption igo ra sila nisulti nga naglisod na ang mga combatants kay buslot na ang mga boots og uban pa. wa gani sila ka name sa mga personality nga involve sa corruption sa military at that time. and remember there was a link to erap at that time sa ilang kalihokan.

    let's open lang our mind sa mga panghitabo di lang ta mo judge dayon kay basin balikan ta sa mas labaw pa natong tanan.
    Last edited by networkguy; 02-14-2011 at 01:51 PM.

  2. #772
    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    haha, so no point debating with you. educate yourself sa.






    psst.. read the Feliciano commission report.
    well, will u kindly educate me then, havent seen that part

  3. #773
    Quote Originally Posted by networkguy View Post
    Bro, actually their main reason for the Coup d' etat nila trillanes is to topple down the arroyo administration. katong ila pasangil sa corruption sa militiray secondary na lang to, in fact wala jud sila ka sulti kung unsa nga klase nga corruption igo ra sila nisulti nga naglisod na ang mga combatants kay buslot na ang mga boots og uban pa. wa gani sila ka name sa mga personality nga involve sa corruption sa military at that time. and remember there was a link to erap at that time sa ilang kalihokan.

    let's open lang our mind sa mga panghitabo di lang ta mo judge dayon kay basin balikan ta sa mas labaw pa natong tanan.

    well mao ni ang ilang gi reklamohan,

    Grievances

    Based on the press conference held by the rebels during their hold of the hotel, they justified their actions that they are merely taking this drastic actions to air their grievances which are to name a few:
    Corruption in the AFP's Procurement System
    AFP Grievances Mechanism
    Sad and obsolete state of the AFP equipage
    State of the AFP Medical Services
    Benefits of soldiers Killed in Action
    State of the Philippine Air Force, and modernization
    Inadequate housing program for soldiers
    Overstaying retired officers in official housing for soldiers

    i havent heard bout the link kay Erap; well I'm giving my opinion based on the news and what's been happening, so kung naa may na offended ana, sorry nalang, wa nakoy mahimo ana, bato2x nalng

  4. #774
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    do you know na usa xa sa kina daghan na pass na bills in Senate in 2009? well ofcourse the govt should provide office for him, he's a senator of the republic, naunsa well i dont mind if he's the biggest spender, if he's using it for the people, but I do mind if naka dawat kag pabaon na 50MM pang shopping sa imong asawa.

    sorry havent seen the link of networkguy so not relevant :P
    are you kidding me. a large part of senators expenses allocated to the rental of their offices (plural na each senators had many offices, millions of pesos na daan). libre na gani siya renta highest gihapon. even a senator with no bills passed dako gihapon alangan daghan gyud siya bills mahimo, sa presohan gyud siya trabaho, dili kalaag lol.

    not relevant, tapulan gyud ka pila ra na page mo backread gamay ra gani post ni networkguys dire. pati pag google sa "feliciano commission " tapulan gihapon .

    corrupt pud diay si Trillanes, siya pa mo gisa kay Angie lol.

  5. #775
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    well mao ni ang ilang gi reklamohan,

    Grievances

    Based on the press conference held by the rebels during their hold of the hotel, they justified their actions that they are merely taking this drastic actions to air their grievances which are to name a few:
    Corruption in the AFP's Procurement System
    AFP Grievances Mechanism
    Sad and obsolete state of the AFP equipage
    State of the AFP Medical Services
    Benefits of soldiers Killed in Action
    State of the Philippine Air Force, and modernization
    Inadequate housing program for soldiers
    Overstaying retired officers in official housing for soldiers

    i havent heard bout the link kay Erap; well I'm giving my opinion based on the news and what's been happening, so kung naa may na offended ana, sorry nalang, wa nakoy mahimo ana, bato2x nalng
    Well maybe you're in abroad mao wala ka kadungog sa ubang balita. if you really wan't to know more just google it...

  6. #776
    unya ngno man diay kung highest expenditures lagi? na padung ba sa illegal?

    o mao ni nakita nako sa google hehehe, kapuya ani ; o corruption lagi ang sinugdan ani and other grievances, but this is not about Trillanes, kung corrupt man xa, then execute him, ma igo ta xa sa investigation, lets not go far away from the the topic, its about the AFP corruption na nakadawat si Angelo Reyes (as you accepted it yourself)

    3. Demands and Grievances
    The grievances aired by the rebels referred to the RSBS, the military procurement system, particularly the practice of “conversion”, the transfer of arms and ammunition to unauthorized parties, and anomalies in the construction and repair of various facilities at Marine Base Cavite.

    c. Provocations

    (1) Grievances about graft and corruption in the military, such as the RSBS, the Modernization Fund, and the procurement system provide a fertile ground for the recruitment of officers and men for military intervention and even the overthrow of Government. The expression of grievances resonates to the wider polity who share these sentiments, even as they do not approve of the means used and the solution proffered by the Magdalo group.

    (2) The Commission believes that the discovery or disclosure of the plot led the rebels prematurely to launch “Oplan Andres” , a plot larger than the Oakwood incident. Failure to attain the force requirements of Plans Alpha and Bravo compelled the rebels to launch Plan Charlie.

    (3) Moreover, members of PMA ’ 94 and ’ 95 were “ frustrated” when the dialogue about their concerns they expected would take place during the dinner hosted by the President on 23 July, did not take place. PMA ’ 94 and ’ 95 had the opportunity to talk to Abaya at the “White House”. (4) They talked about their class being unjustly linked to a plot against the Government as well as about their commitment to fight graft and corruption ever since their graduation from the Academy. When the dinner with the President arranged for 23 July did not include a dialogue about their concerns, the invitees went down “ frustrated.”

    (4) Finally, the order by the President aired on national television for the arrest of the coup leaders as “ rogue soldiers” was a precipitating factor behind the Oakwood incident. At the time of the President’ s order, the leaders of the plot were already missing from their respective units.

  7. #777
    @iceman

    unsa man gigastuhan ni Trillanes beh? sure ka wa nabulsa na hehe

    tell me what kind of corruption fighter willing to let ERAP (top ten most corrupt in the world, google pls) be seated as President. please reply ha, kahit pila pa ka grievances ihatag nimo it wont matter.
    those grievances are not unique to the military but rather reflect insistent demands for reform made by practically all sectors of our society. The total picture is, indeed, a complex one and the challenges inherent therein truly formidable.
    si Jinggoy ug Trillanes buddies ni sila they single out Angie kay gi rescue ni Angie ang Pinas from Chaos and Corruption 2x (1st when he help overthrow erap). though nakadawat pud ug pabaon, 1 in million chance siguro someone will hesitate 50M pesos lol.

  8. #778
    I dont know unsa iyang gi gastusan, if you ask that, you might as well ask kung unsa gi gastusan sa tanang congress, you can look at his website thou for his works and accomplishments.

    anyway na inspired ko mu google kay sige ko nimu ingnan tapulan hehehe here's what I get, true na its their plan to restore erap based on the report:
    Facts gathered by the Commission point to the political goal of taking power by the Magdalo group and the establishment of a fifteen (15)-member council after the restoration of former President Estrada to the Presidency for three (3) days only.


    O, 3 days ra kuno ha, so plano jud nila mu form ug council for the next govt; why Erap? that's another story, maybe because he's good w/ AFP? or because xa man jud tlga ang President (many think that removing him is unconstitutional), well I dont know but for sure, ang grivance nila (above) tinuod, so you cant say na ang ilang tuyo is to restore Erap (bisag 3 days lang )

    At the same time, it will be seen from Part Two of this report that some of the grievances given expression by the rebels at Oakwood, although utilized by them to radicalize soldiers and young officers and to recruit adherents to “Oplan Andres,” are to a substantial degree real, and not merely fictitious.

  9. #779
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    unsa may diay to iyang oakwood mutiny? di ba diay to about corruption ilang gi laban?

    nya si Reyes? ni angkon man imong idol na nag take part xa sa corruption, aber?

    mahibung ra ta ngano react kay ka pag defend sa imong idol
    now that he is a senator wala man lage siya naka file ug case if strong ang iyang case against GMA corruption sa military? unya 360 na dayon kay g challenge naman siya nga panganlan ug kinsa ang protector ni garcia..sakto na nga senador? haka haka lang ang importante nga ma apil ang pangalan ni GMA sa corruption?

    ni take part sa corruption? the PABAON thing? hehehe so siya ra ang nakadawat ana? diba sabi niya lieutenant palang siya nana na? basaha ang imong g post ug kadaghan para ma linawan ka..

    wala nako na idola si reyes..pro ang gibuhat nila ang dili nako ganahan..pwde d i ka ma accuse diretso maski guest lang ka sa inquiry? gipakauwana maski walay sakto nga evidence? read ang pag bali ni trillanes pag name ni reyes us powerful man behind garcia..diba pagpalauwaw na? hunahunaa kuno kung pwde bana..kay para nako dili jud na pwde..wala pa gali ta kibaw unsa judn ng pabaon..

  10. #780
    well whatever their ways is, naa na na nila, I didnt say I agree on it or not, what we are talking about here ang their reactions against corruption, di ta magpalayo ana nga issue, kay mao man na quote nimu nako, the rest is irrelevant.

    Trillanes: joined the mutiny to fight corruption
    Reyes: as admitted, walk through it

    kelangan pa ba i memorize yan

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