Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

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@genesis

Taas kaayo ug faith? Di kaha lahi ilang faith? Kay True faith in Christ with the works of the Holy Spirity never let any True Christians do such SATANIC things.
Wala man siguro ka kaila ug mga False Converts? Nag baha na sila.. Nag lunop pud nga mga hypocrites sa simbahan (Born again Churches and Catholic are the same when it comes to false converts).

so unsaon man nimo pag determine sa true faith?

Bisan pag pila pana imong doctorate/s di na maka save nimo.

niingon diay ko?..

I have the credibility to say nga deep ilaha faith. kaw unsay imo basis nga tinuod ilaha faith? sa buhat ba or sa faith alone lang taman?

[genesis11]

@genesis

yes thats a big what if but what if a previous christian just converted to be an atheist few minutes away to be hanged? daghan ra ba cases ani, sure ka nga dili siya maluwas? ug once save always save na siya kay christian man to siya sa una...

Kung pag kamatay niya nahimo siyang atheist, it means he is a false convert, wala na siya na save pag sugod palang da-an.

And besides, It might mean nawala lng gyd "Siguro" iyang salvation. But I personally believe in eternal salvation and it is by design of God that a man is saved eternally.

Hebrews 6:4-6

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”

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@Genesis
so unsaon man nimo pag determine sa true faith?

While True Christians have been told to discern the spirits of men if they are fake one or not.

Only God can 100% comprehend a person's heart, and the genuineness of his faith.

That's why IF we think We are saved.. We offer Bodies as Living Sacrifice to the Lord - continuity of repentance because of the salvation motive.



Matthew 7:16-20

King James Version (KJV)

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[ketllac]

@genesis

Kung pag kamatay niya nahimo siyang atheist, it means he is a false convert, wala na siya na save pag sugod palang da-an.

pero most pastors will say kung naa faith save na kay once saved always save di ba ? so kung makasalag or mo convert to atheism ingnon dayon nga aw dili to tinuod nga faith in the first place..wala tay dag anan ani...

can you undo the past and the previous proclamation?..

we can undo the previous proclamation based on your argument for the sake of justifying the doctrine of "OSAS".. am I right?

what if ang athiest nibalik na sad ug christian? from christian to atheist to christian to athiest napud kay doubtful siya...

so nahimong true faith in the first place dayon dili tinuod nga faith? sulod bawe sulod bawe iyaha kaluwasan bai..

ang punto walay pulos nga argumento..kay kataw-anan ug ridiculous teaching....

[ketllac]

While other True Christians have been told to discern the spirits of men if a fake one or not.

Only God can 100% comprehend a person's heart, and the genuineness of his faith.

oh naa ra man gani na...nganong once saved always saved man na nga ginoo ra man diay nakabalo? so dili diay ta ka proclaim ana kay niutro na man sad ka God na pud ang sure maka judge..so walay pulos ang ato own proclamation kay 100% man sa ginoo. it means anang 100% wala tay labot anang proclamation..

That's why IF we think We are saved.. We offer Bodies as Living Sacrifice to the Lord - continuity of repentance because of the salvation motive.

nag pasabot ba nga dili ta mo backslide once we believe? backslide means away from the saving grace?

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@genesis
.. from christian to atheist to christian to athiest napud kay doubtful siya...

Mao na imong gi tawag nga True Faith? doubtful gani.. Pasabot lang, wala siyay True Faith. Saon..

Mura diay ta ani nag duwa duwa sa atong kaluwasan? Butikaw butikaw labot ikaw?

Obviously false convert ng tawhana..

Or

Kuwang iyang knowledge sa tino-od mao ng doubtful <- wala pana na save sir.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee.. - Hosea 4:6

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@genesis

can you undo the past and the previous proclamation?..

Kinsa man pud nag proclaim? Ang Pastor? Saon..


Matthew 7:21-23

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

....And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

[ketllac]

@genesis

Obviously false convert ng tawhana..

pero at the end ni balik siya sa pagka kristiano..di ba nalipat ka kay nibalik naman sad siay ug dili man diay siya false convert? so useless imo judgement ug OSAS?

kung moconvert to atheism aw false convert ug kung mo balik aw true faith na sad..

CAn you outdo the previous proclamation?

[ketllac]

from GEnesis--Kinsa man pud nag proclaim? Ang Pastor? Saon..

HOy kamo ang nag proclaim..the fact nga nituo ka anang OSAS aw ni proclaim ka di ka kasupak ana....so definitely it follows kaw mismo ang ni proclaim nga pwede ma undo ang past sad..

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nag pasabot ba nga dili ta mo backslide once we believe? backslide means away from the saving grace?

Back sliding imong pasabot siguro bro kanang True Christian nya nag pagahi sa iyang ulo nag hubog2x, ect.

Ayaw kabalaka kay naay way out ang Gino-o ana.. Discipline will come to him, pareha sa imong amahan mo disiplina nimo kay anak ka niya.

Being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion.. - Philippians 1:6

Otherwise kung wala gyd ni work ang Gino-o pag sugod palang..