MERGED: Manaygunay sa PUJ Snatcher?

[nyxgorf]

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unsaon man nga atong balaud naa may protection sa mga bata.. mao ng mag salig ang uban kai ma dswd ra.. naa untai case to case bases.. kai kanang mga bataa kablo bya gyud na sila nga sayop ilang g buhat..

[p26]

mag-train pud ang mga vigilante ug bata, tabla na, hehehehe
evil vs evil LOL

Mayu ning mag train cla ug bata nga vigilante aron manghipus aning mga way batasan nga mga bata. maski kulatahon ra gud aron matagam. Ang atong bala-ud bahin sa mga menor de edad kay maka pa daku sa ulo aning mga sipat nga mga bata. Mayu ning pamutlun ug mga kamot ang mga tawong naka buhat ug dautan.

[Big_Nito]

RE: Kulata2x sa mga snatcher nga "caught in the act"

Kung ma-pinpoint pa lang sa snatcher ang mga nangulata niya, pwede man ma-kasohan ang mga ni-apil ug kulata for physical injuries (depende sa injuries sustained by the victim). Kung naa pa lang klaro nga Human Rights na grupo sa Cebu, pwede kaayo na nila himuon nga advocacy/project. But we don't see that happening too often because more often than not everyone is always (supposedly) "mad" at the thief/perpetrator and no one wants to help, thinking "he deserves that beating, probably more even". In other words, daghan sad mga buang2x diri sa Pilipinas nga nangita ra ug opportunity nga maka-kulata para tripping lang.

So having said that, pwede man gani ma-kasohan ang mangulata ug tao nga dagko na ug bukog nya daghan na ug humay nga na-kaon, unsa pa kaha kung mangulata ka ug bata? Brutala sad nimo oi, bisag bata imo mak-makon? Hehe. Ang sakto ra gyud nga buhaton kung maka-sakop ka ug criminal red-handed is to conduct a citizen's arrest. A citizen's arrest is provided by our Revised Penal Code as follows:

Section 9 of Rule 113
“When making an arrest, a private person shall inform the person to be arrested of the intention to arrest him and the case of the arrest, unless the latter is either engaged in the commission of an offense, is pursued immediately after its commission, or has escaped, flees, or forcibly resists before the person making the arrest has opportunity to so inform him, or when the giving of such information will imperil the arrest.” Mao ra na, di na kinahanglan mangulata.

But since as I already previously mentioned, kids 15 years below are immune from crim liability, not even a citizen's arrest is effective. Even if you bring them to the precinct, all the officers will do will be to release them. Ang leader2x gyud nga adult ang dapat pangitaon. Sundan ang mga bata sa kung asa ilang rendezvous sa leader2x, i-entrap siya, then prove that he is using the children as his minions for the crime.

Thats the thing. Mas naa pa nuon daghang RIGHTS ang mga criminal kaysa BIKTIMI. Talking about Human Rights, ngano di man cla magbuhat ug case study about victims of these young criminals? Sorry to say sir, pero thats the reason why criminals are more gutsy kay they know the justice system is often times blind. Lol... Having my family victimized by those young criminals make my outlook towards criminality a little bias. But again, those people dont deserve our sympathy. I'd rather give my 100% sympathy to the victims and their families than to those criminals who were killed legally or illegally.

[rickflag]

mao jud samotan pa sa stupid pangilinan law. para naku they should be rounded up. dapat lang siguro we should have a jail for kids.

[MelRos]

RE: Kulata2x sa mga snatcher nga "caught in the act"

Kung ma-pinpoint pa lang sa snatcher ang mga nangulata niya, pwede man ma-kasohan ang mga ni-apil ug kulata for physical injuries (depende sa injuries sustained by the victim). Kung naa pa lang klaro nga Human Rights na grupo sa Cebu, pwede kaayo na nila himuon nga advocacy/project. But we don't see that happening too often because more often than not everyone is always (supposedly) "mad" at the thief/perpetrator and no one wants to help, thinking "he deserves that beating, probably more even". In other words, daghan sad mga buang2x diri sa Pilipinas nga nangita ra ug opportunity nga maka-kulata para tripping lang.

So having said that, pwede man gani ma-kasohan ang mangulata ug tao nga dagko na ug bukog nya daghan na ug humay nga na-kaon, unsa pa kaha kung mangulata ka ug bata? Brutala sad nimo oi, bisag bata imo mak-makon? Hehe. Ang sakto ra gyud nga buhaton kung maka-sakop ka ug criminal red-handed is to conduct a citizen's arrest. A citizen's arrest is provided by our Revised Penal Code as follows:

Section 9 of Rule 113
“When making an arrest, a private person shall inform the person to be arrested of the intention to arrest him and the case of the arrest, unless the latter is either engaged in the commission of an offense, is pursued immediately after its commission, or has escaped, flees, or forcibly resists before the person making the arrest has opportunity to so inform him, or when the giving of such information will imperil the arrest.” Mao ra na, di na kinahanglan mangulata.

But since as I already previously mentioned, kids 15 years below are immune from crim liability, not even a citizen's arrest is effective. Even if you bring them to the precinct, all the officers will do will be to release them. Ang leader2x gyud nga adult ang dapat pangitaon. Sundan ang mga bata sa kung asa ilang rendezvous sa leader2x, i-entrap siya, then prove that he is using the children as his minions for the crime.

Sir, basin wa ka masayod nga ang mga bata karon marunong pa sa mga tiguwang.. conduct a citizen's arrest? di kaha ka tabangan ug dunggab sa mga bata.. dapat BATAS NG DAVAO gamiton diri sa CEBU aron mahurot ning mga badlongon dri..

[MelRos]

share lang ko sa akong experience.. diha'y usa ka higayon padung ko uli sa amo. nagsakay ko ug tricycle dha ko naglingkod sa extension samtang nagdagan ang tricycle gikalit ug bira ang akong tiil sa bata nga sakop sa gang. maayo gane kay nakakupot ko.. nipara ko unya akong gigukod nanagan ang mga buang, 3 sila kabuok.. pag-abot sa amo wa jud ko mahimutang nagpakuyog ko sa akong mga ig-agaw among gibalik ang lugar nga gi stambayan sa mga bata didto gihapon nagtambay ang mga buang. ako gituok ang nagbira sa akong tiil.. unya giingnan ko sa akong ig-agaw nga ayaw hilabti kay menor de edad pa na.. pangwartahan nya ka.. makalagot kaayo mao ng magsige ni sila ug pabadlong kay nagsalig nga kung makasala sila, sila pa'y labanan kay menor de edad..

[Moon Cellular]

sa may SM ay daghan key

[Jumperman]

Vundaboi, Big_Nito, MelRos

I recognize the futility in this argument, I don't want to engage in a lengthy debate because we aren't exactly on the same page, lahi ang atong gipang-storyahan. We all have our different perspectives and opinions. I respect and understand your different stands. Broad ra sad kaayo ni nga topic to dissect in a single post. And this thread is about juvenile delinquents, not hardened criminals.

But allow me to say this though: It's not true that criminals have more rights than the victims. Just because you stand up for the HUMAN right of a criminal does not mean you think he is innocent. He will still be sent to jail, but what is sought to be prevented is a senseless beating done by a mob (which for all we know consists of fellow criminals who had nothing to do that day and decided to join in on the attack to prevent detection). Of course when the criminal gets mob-attacked he should have seen it coming before he went through with it, but that's not the point.

[starprince]

maayo unta nga naay balaod nga mapriso sab nang mga bat-ana kay magsalig man god na sila

[Big_Nito]

Vundaboi, Big_Nito, MelRos

I recognize the futility in this argument, I don't want to engage in a lengthy debate because we aren't exactly on the same page, lahi ang atong gipang-storyahan. We all have our different perspectives and opinions. I respect and understand your different stands. Broad ra sad kaayo ni nga topic to dissect in a single post. And this thread is about juvenile delinquents, not hardened criminals.

But allow me to say this though: It's not true that criminals have more rights than the victims. Just because you stand up for the HUMAN right of a criminal does not mean you think he is innocent. He will still be sent to jail, but what is sought to be prevented is a senseless beating done by a mob (which for all we know consists of fellow criminals who had nothing to do that day and decided to join in on the attack to prevent detection). Of course when the criminal gets mob-attacked he should have seen it coming before he went through with it, but that's not the point.

Yup sir. I agree with you. This topic is too broad para idiscuss diri ang specifics. I got your point. its all about respecting the human rights of people wether criminal or dili...

But I beg to disagree on one of your point about criminals not having more rights than the victims. Ill just enumerate some rights of a criminal under the law of most countries (including the Philippines)..

Criminals are:
1. presumed innocent until proven guilty.
2. they have their miranda rights.
3. they can post bail (although on some crimes they arent allowed)
4. they have their double jeopardy rights
5. if they will be convicted, they have these options: appeal their conviction, wait for clemency or pardon or serve out their sentence (if maswertehan na di kaayo taas ang ilang sentensya...

However, the rights of the victims are only limited to:
1. right to sue.
2. restraining order (unfortunately i dont think this is being observed in the philippines... lol)
3. right to live in fear, emotional and psychological trauma 9kana kung wala ka madunggabi or mapusili sa kriminal nga naghold up nimo)...


But yup sir. I respect your point of view. Human Rights was created for the betterment of our society. Democracy gave human kinds freedom to explore and enjoy life to the fullest. Unfortunately, their are certain sectors of our society that dont respect the human rights of others and the life of other people.

Juvenile Delinquents (mga batang naligaw ang landas) have the right to reform and straighten their lives through counseling and therapy. Unfortunately, when a juvenile delinquent wants to go back to the street to kill or rob or menace the society and this became a habitual occurrence, then I think they shouldnt be considered Minor offenders but instead, they should be treated as hardened criminal... Just my 2 cents.....