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  1. #61

    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join


    Quote Originally Posted by brownprose
    yes and if he wasn't, why would the NPAs abduct those that share most of their views? it's difficult to point the abduction to NPAs kay left-leaning man gud to si Jonas.
    difficult? have u heard of the term "psychological warfare"?

    if assuming the NPA's abducted Jonas and somehow the blame will be pinned on the military, so who is winning the propaganda? of course the NPA.

    if assuming also that Jonas is already symphatetic to NPA and therefore fabricated the story that the military is behind his abduction, who is winning the propaganda? of course the NPA.

    "Military tactics are like unto water; for water in its natural course runs away from high places and hastens downward. So in war, the way to avoid what is strong and to strike what is weak"- Art of War, Sun Tzu

    so what is one of the weak spots of the military? Credibility.

  2. #62

    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join the

    Quote Originally Posted by giddyboy
    difficult? have u heard of the term "psychological warfare"?

    if assuming the NPA's abducted Jonas and somehow the blame will be pinned on the military, so who is winning the propaganda? of course the NPA.

    if assuming also that Jonas is already symphatetic to NPA and therefore fabricated the story that the military is behind his abduction, who is winning the propaganda? of course the NPA.

    "Military tactics are like unto water; for water in its natural course runs away from high places and hastens downward. So in war, the way to avoid what is strong and to strike what is weak"- Art of War, Sun Tzu

    so what is one of the weak spots of the military? Credibility.
    you are also right... but let me speak from the point of experience lang kay most of the abductions are done by the military. i was among those who were rounded up (back in president aquino's time) by the military and illegally detained and some of us were taken some place else. daghan nawala namo that time nga hangtod karon wa gihapon hikit-i. i am among those 4 witnesses to the case (still pending and unresolved to date).

    I and my uncle had been with the underground in the past (my name is still in the military dossiers today) and again, i'd like to speak from experience nga it is not the nature of the NPAs to abduct their legit supporters. it's not only poor Sun Tzu or psywar strategy but is is also illogical.

    To abduct their "own kind" if you may, is like wearing or wasting down one's propaganda machinery. militants like jonas (if he ever was from the NPA) are the underground's legit fronts to advance their political agenda in mainstream politics...and it doesn't figure why NPAs would have to resort such silly strategy (propaganda-wise or tactics-wise).

    the nearest theory or perhaps the most tenable strategy for NPAs to do is to orchestrate or stage abductions.
    this happened many times in Northern Luzon and some parts of Eastern Visayas (Marcos & Aquino regime) where militants hide in the mountains so as to blame the military of the sudden disappearances.

    who knows, jonas may still be alive somewhere if we were to buy this theory.

    But as it looks...jonas case is a real deal.






  3. #63

    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join the

    maayong hapon sa tanana! pangutana ba nga NPA c jonas? para nako dili! ang akong pangutana kung nganong nag padayon man ang maong kalihukan hangtud karon? dili ba kaha nga hangtud karon nagkagrabe ang kalisud Tungod sa palisiyang gi implementar sa US? NGA mao ang " GLOBALISASYON " nga ni resulta na karon sama sa kontrakwalisasyon nga ang biktima mao ang mga trabahante? ug deregulasyon sama sa OIL DEREGULATION nga balaod...nga hinungdan sa walay pu-as ang pag saka sa LANA...UG ang pribitisasyon nga sama sa pag sa pribado sa iskwelahan, hospital nga mi resulta nga gamay nalang ang makatungha sa hi-skol ug KOLIHIYO...SO! PARA NAKO DILI ISYU DINHI ANG KUNG NPA ba c jonas burgos...ang isyu dinhi...nganong adunay mag NPA...daghang salamat...

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    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join

    Quote Originally Posted by usakalapad
    maayong hapon sa tanana! pangutana ba nga NPA c jonas? para nako dili! ang akong pangutana kung nganong nag padayon man ang maong kalihukan hangtud karon? dili ba kaha nga hangtud karon nagkagrabe ang kalisud Tungod sa palisiyang gi implementar sa US? NGA mao ang " GLOBALISASYON " nga ni resulta na karon sama sa kontrakwalisasyon nga ang biktima mao ang mga trabahante? ug deregulasyon sama sa OIL DEREGULATION nga balaod...nga hinungdan sa walay pu-as ang pag saka sa LANA...UG ang pribitisasyon nga sama sa pag sa pribado sa iskwelahan, hospital nga mi resulta nga gamay nalang ang makatungha sa hi-skol ug KOLIHIYO...SO! PARA NAKO DILI ISYU DINHI ANG KUNG NPA ba c jonas burgos...ang isyu dinhi...nganong adunay mag NPA...daghang salamat...
    daghan posibleng paagi ang usa ka tawo ma-recruit sa NPA:

    (1) nadala sa kahadlok sa NPA
    (2) gipugos ug apil sa NPA
    (3) nadala sa propaganda sa NPA
    (4) galagot sa militar,
    (5) galagot sa gobyerno,
    (6) galagot sa mga amerikano
    (7) ganahan ug komunismo, dili demokrasya

    ug mao nay ngano ang kalihokan nagpadayon pa hangtod karon...

  5. #65

    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join the

    Quote Originally Posted by giddyboy
    daghan posibleng paagi ang usa ka tawo ma-recruit sa NPA:

    (1) nadala sa kahadlok sa NPA
    (2) gipugos ug apil sa NPA
    (3) nadala sa propaganda sa NPA
    (4) galagot sa militar,
    (5) galagot sa gobyerno,
    (6) galagot sa mga amerikano
    (7) ganahan ug komunismo, dili demokrasya

    ug mao nay ngano ang kalihokan nagpadayon pa hangtod karon...
    syur kaha ka sa anang gi hinganlan bro? ni apil kag npa?

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    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join

    Quote Originally Posted by radiostar
    syur kaha ka sa anang gi hinganlan bro? ni apil kag npa?
    logical thinking ra pre...

    wala ug dili ko moapil ug NPA...never!!!

    i'm just pointing out the many possibilities why a person joins the NPA...and those list is the reason why the NPA still exists today, bisan ug gamay nlng na cla...and i bet my 2 cents that the number 3 (nadala sa propaganda) on the list is the top most way a person joins the NPA.

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    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join the

    Quote Originally Posted by giddyboy
    logical thinking ra pre...

    wala ug dili ko moapil ug NPA...never!!!

    i'm just pointing out the many possibilities why a person joins the NPA...and those list is the reason why the NPA still exists today, bisan ug gamay nlng na cla...and i bet my 2 cents that the number 3 (nadala sa propaganda) on the list is the top most way a person joins the NPA.
    not really... but i do respect your opinion, and i agree with #4, #5, #6

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    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join

    Quote Originally Posted by radiostar
    not really... but i do respect your opinion, and i agree with #4, #5, #6
    mao btaw nang "possible" list, there could be more or less...if u don't agree w/ #3, it's fine w/ me...hehe

  9. #69

    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join the

    Quote Originally Posted by radiostar
    syur kaha ka sa anang gi hinganlan bro? ni apil kag npa?
    Quote Originally Posted by giddyboy
    daghan posibleng paagi ang usa ka tawo ma-recruit sa NPA:

    (1) nadala sa kahadlok sa NPA
    (2) gipugos ug apil sa NPA
    (3) nadala sa propaganda sa NPA
    (4) galagot sa militar,
    (5) galagot sa gobyerno,
    (6) galagot sa mga amerikano
    (7) ganahan ug komunismo, dili demokrasya

    ug mao nay ngano ang kalihokan nagpadayon pa hangtod karon...
    >sakto ka! pero adunay kunay ug aduna sad sayop...mura bag naa ta sulod ug ilawon sa tabay usahay nga naka sentro lang ang atong pagtan-aw sa kahayag...apan wala kita ka k.ta sa tibuok palibot kay naa lage ta sa ilawon sa atabay! hehehe...

    mao ni ako pagtan-aw sa imong tubag:

    1."nadala sa kahadlok sa npa"- ang reyalidad diin nag naay npa mao ang suliran sa yuta nga maoy suliran sa mag-uuma nga nag paka-on nato...apan wala silay yutang gipanag-iya kay ang nanag-iya sa halapad nga kayuta-an sa pilipinas mao ang mga dagkong corporasyon ug ang prayoridad nga ipatanom mao ang panginahanglan sa laing nasod...mao nang k.ta nag salig sa imported nga produkto sama sa tobu! nya mu kitkit lang tag tobu? ...napa jud lain! kabalu ba kita sa balaod nga mining act of 1995? ang unod niini mao nga aduna nay katungod ang mga langyaw sa pagpanag-iya sa yuta sa pilipinas 100% nga pag panag-iya ha? nya gisupak sa mga mag-uuma karon kay ang tubag sa goberno kay militarisasyon man...sa sunod nalang sad nako tubagon ang uban salamat!

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    Default Re: Jonas Burgos is an NPA? Then by God, by Allah, and by Marx, let us all join

    Quote Originally Posted by giddyboy
    can we not pin some of these abduction things to the NPA also? we all suspect "covert" operations from both sides anyhow...
    Yes we could. But why? if we're going to "play" with this scenario, what could be some reasons for the NPA to abduct Jonas? I can't think of any.
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