RELIGION

[riko diko]

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richard.
faith ang tubag ani tanan.
ikaw bay richard, matag domingo mag unsa man ka? magtan-aw ug the Buzz, inig human nimog tan-aw fulfilled kunohay ka kay gwapa si kris aquino.

ako pud mosimba ko matag domingo kay fulfilled pud akong bati-on inig kahuman. ug kay mao nang panahona makapasalamat ko sa akong Ginoo. kay nitoo man ko Niya. ug ayaw na pangutana ngano nitoo ko niya kay mao nay gitawag nato nga FAITH.

ug ayaw pag ingun nga pakitang tao ning akoa, kay ang akong gi satisfy ani kay ang akong kaugalingun ug walay lain.

[reklamador]

religion cant save you but faith can........useless ang pagwale ug pagkadeboto kung sila mismo mang-libak,mamalikas ug manaway sa lain taw.

[reklamador]

be faithful and apply what you learned from church......in that manner we be one of the living saints today.

[trickyboy]

by the way, can this topic be discussed or be debatable in the essence? when someone discusses about religion, it would go further to a debate, and more often public swears will come out after.

[silent-kill]

see! read all you posts its relative to what you believe in. and your discussions are biased to what you know.

How far would you endorse that 'matter of relativity' idea? If I kill someone because he ignored me when I say hello, then - as a matter of relativity - am I justified and not guilty of offense/crime? Just because we have biases, are we now justified in acting on our biases? Do we not know instinctively what justice is and what it demands from us? Are there no moral absolutes for you?

its not an idea its a fact. and about killing someone, if you kill someone; of course that "someone's" family, friends would seek justice. you have to remember the rule: "do not do onto others what you dont want others do unto you" which in physics is "every action has and equal and opposite re-action". these rules exist even before buddah, and the physicians made or discovered them. so if you understand this rules it is what your "religion" is based from in order to preserve humanity from humanity it self, "resue me from me".

my point was "everything/everyone is not a whole, but part of a whole"

imagine a kid. who lived in an islamic community, who later starts believing allah all his life and do all the things allah teaches, until the day he died. then he comes to his "creator" then suddenly sees "jesus" and "jesus" told him that "you will go to hell because you did not believe in me". etc etc

now imagine a christian kid going through the same proccess then when he sees he sees his creator instead of "jesus/god" he sees allah. etc etc...

now that would be crazy and would be both unfair to those kids.

An agnostic ... Sorry if I have 'defined' you. It seems to me that you have many questions other than the ones you have posted. I hope I could help in your quest for answers. I would like to refer you to a website of a phi***pher, a professor from Boston College. Click here.

i am not agnostic, I believe in a God, and I do not have any questions because everthing explains it self. Please do not try to segretate things/ or people because "everyone/everthing is not a whole but just a part of a whole."

[silent-kill]

by the way, can this topic be discussed or be debatable in the essence? when someone discusses about religion, it would go further to a debate, and more often public swears will come out after.

well i personally think that this kind of topic is not debatable, because everone is half right and half wrong. everything will just cancel out. but of course there will be some who would insist. but then again who are we to stop them?. I would rather call it sharing of thoughts. but the problem would be respecting the ideas or accepting the fact. thats it..

[silent-kill]

Baiz hala sugdi ko og ampo... but make it sure that iampo ko nimo og ninyo dritso sa ginoo kay usahay ampo raba ka dayon sa santos nga dili ginoo murag wala kay kalahian sa mga paganismo nga nahimogso sauna pang panahon!

Are there saints in paganism? Do Catholics believe that saints are gods? To both questions, no. It may be your own thinking that is outdated and outrageous. Obviously, you have not read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. If you have, you would never have arrived to such conclusion and expose yourself to ridicule. Mauwaw man pud siguro ka kung magpatakataka ka. You are doing it, bro!

salamat sa pagsaludo nimo nako bai pero sa tinoud lang wala man juy magdaog aning debate especially sa religion kay ang PRIDE mao may magpalabaw and i havent seen anybody who concedes on such debates....

Debate diay ni?! I thought this is just a discussion. In an actual debate, the activity is moderated and judges are appointed. Both criteria are not present here. So, let us stop assuming that this is a debate.

@dacs:

Thanks for those interesting information that you gave! but im not buying it... you are just putting a different meaning into it.

I am not selling either. Read Ephesians 3:10 - 'so that through the church the wisdom of God in its rich variety might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places' (NRSV). Whose church is that? There was only one Church founded by Christ, and He associates Himself to her. This is further supported by 1 Timothy 3:15 - 'But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth'. Listen to Mt. 28:20 – '... behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age'. The Catholic Church has been in existence since the time of the apostles at least (as attested to by St. Ignatius of Antioch - the successor of St. Paul at that place). If Christ promised that he will be with the Church always, Christ and the Holy Spirit sent by Him never departed from the Catholic Church. Consequently, the Church cannot teach any falsehood.

Why? Because, before that could happen, the Holy Spirit must have departed first. After the departure of the Holy Spirit, falsehood could then enter the Church. If that is what had happened, then Christ lied. Yet, Christ told the truth. Therefore, guided by the Holy Spirit, the Catholic Church cannot teach falsehood in matters of faith and morals.

Ever read 1 John 4:6 - 'We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit'? Could your pastor trace his line of succession to the apostles? I have already quoted to you the part of the Bible which says that no one can proclaim the gospel unless he is sent. Who sent your pastor? Please don't tell me it was God or Christ or the Paraclete or the Trinity.

Go to Matthew 18:15-18 and let me quote a part of that : 'If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector'. If there is a question on the morality of contraceptives, which church do you listen to? There are different voices among Protestant churches. Some are for it; others are against it. The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is against it. In matter of divorce, most Protestant churches allow it but others don't. The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is against it. On the morality of mercy killing, Protestant churches are divided. The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is against it.

Which church is the true church? Which church will you listen to? Are you free to decide which church to join or had Christ decided it for you? Are you going to find a church that 'fits' you, or are you going to fit into the Church that Christ founded?

what is true now may not be true tomorrow.

mr dacs i believe that you are a firm believer of you religion and i respect you for that. i would just like you to explain why some or maybe all catholic churches/houses have idols, images of saints, protraits etc. inside and often times i see people praying to them. can you please explain why?. i dont mean to attack any people so dont start flaming.

please explain these verses.

"“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God� (Exodus 20:4-5)"

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven

note: might be offensive to other pple
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/cath.htm

[richard79]

@ baby richard: Reading from your post, before ka mohusga sa mga katoliko usisaha una.Â* Like aning mga santos.Â* Murag ignorante ka about ani.Â* mao nay problema kay sige man ka paminaw sa atake sa mga dili katoliko.

Ang santos mga tao na sila nga tua na sa langit nga hado-ul na sa Ginoo. Di ba gi-ingon na sa Biblia that we will become friends of the Lord.

Now unsa may problema kung imong hangyo-on ang friends sa Ginoo to intercede for us.

How about tong mga nangamatay nato nga mga paryente, mga loved ones?Â* Santos naman sad to sila although not in a canonized state.Â* Dili na ba diay ka pwede mohangyo sa ilaha?Â* Bout nimo ipasabot nga ang imong relationship sa ilaha matapos na when they died?

Please before ka mo judge, read and have an open mind.Â* Tanaw nako bag-o kang recruit sa born again group nga mangampanya pag daot sa katoliko.Â* Class lang ka kay instead nga anha ka diha sa Gaisano Metro magtagawtaw dala ug trumpa, anhi ka diri sa internet.

@baby damolag
Usisaha sad bai kung ang inyong kinabag an cge og pahid sa rebolto nga dili makaangayon pahiran. Now you are talking about love ones nga na santos... how sure are you nga nasantos na sila or how sure are that their souls were saved already. me myself is not sure but it seems that you assumed already that they are in heaven.

And please before ka mo tubag be open minded sa unsa akong gipasabot sa kani nga thread dili lang pataka og dasmag! SABTA unsa akong ipaibot ani and try to look around be open minded to question on things that you yourself i believe doesnt have a clear answer.

Now youre assuming again that i am a newly recruited born again christian... give me a break bai. as what ive said ive been into different extreme positions and i used to question God but the good thing God has found me again and answered my question on Him. NOW you answer my questions bai dili magpataka og sabat! Baby snmp!

[richard79]

hik hik hik...

sowi bai i overlooked your statement that you are not perfect. If so, then stop judging those naglira-liraw lang ang mata pagsimba or nagduka or sige lang panghuy-ab cause you are not God who can see their souls.

hasta sad bitaw ako bai wa man ko kasabot anang uban nga magliraw-liraw lang ang mata inig klase. murag way pakialam sa teacher nga sige lag yaw2x sa atubangan unya pirme lang gaduka kay sige lag humol sa iyang uyab kadagabii unya mosud ug iskuylahan papel rag calculator pangdad-on. sinena pwerting nipisa. karsones gisi-on. sagoy kaayo tan-awn pero mahibong lang ka inig exam pwerting dagkoag kuha. wa man sad manondog. parehas sad na bai.

kasuway sad bitaw ko anang imong giingon nga mosimbag kadlawn nga hubog. pero nakatabang sad gamay kay nahuwasan ko sigeg binarog ug sa kaalimoot kay gipaningot man ko. naa say natabang gamay. hihihi....

i suggest, lay down your concerns about religion individually. unsay imong problema or whatever. ug kanang specific. just like atong gi-suggest sa usa ka istoryan.

tnx.

hehe kasabot ko baiz.... im laying down my questions here sa thread hoping to find answers... well pardon for my previous post that im citing for a debate... but yeah its purely a discussion... a very healthy one... thanks pre....
And by the way... i dont have problems anyway... im just asking questions just find answers from our fellow istoryans... ok?

[richard79]

"Class lang ka kay instead nga anha ka diha sa Gaisano Metro magtagawtaw dala ug trumpa, anhi ka diri sa internet."

hihihi... sakto!

toinkzzz...

hehehe wala pako kasuway ana baiz... but to tell you honestly.. as much as you despised and mocked them...umm... i myself is not exempted with that... i just shut my mouth and never say about them because they themselves have something to offer and maybe sa atong tanan we have some questions... right?