Fixing our country: Where did we go wrong?

[hlongimanus]

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when i went to singapore last dec2011, nakoy na-meet nga pinoy ug ngtabi mi. nahisgot nya nga ang leader karon sa singapore amigo kaau ni marcos ug ang tnan nga gi-implement nya sa ilang country karon gkan sa mga ideas ni marcos. bilib kaau sya kang marcos. sayang lng dw nga nawala sya..ug naa pa unta dw c marcos karon, napadayon pa unta dw ang pgka-"tiger of asia" sa philippines.
not putting down our country, pro kng mka-adto kag singapore ug hongkong, ma-compare gyud nmo ang dako nga difference. grabe ka disciplined ang mga tao dd2. ug grbe ang respect nla sa ilang government ug ilang laws.
jst imagine, sa singapore, ang multa sa smoking in non-designated smoking areas ky S$5,000 (Php168,750). dnhi sa ato, pamultahon lng kag Php100, mangreklamo na. kani, isa lng ni ka example nga dapat i-point out...nga kitang mga pinoy, frankly speaking, supakero.
tinuod democratic country ta. pro dapat kahibaw ta motimbang sa sakto ug sa sayop.

[bronson]

First of all, this is a forum, be ready to defend your posts at anytime when someone will scrutinize it... if you can't defend your posts, then you don't really know what you are really posting about..

Second, I am not an expert of money... I am just trying to know if you are focused more on the objective rather than on the actual results. Don't worry, you are not alone. Most people are focused more on the intentions of laws, projects, programs, and promises of politicians and neglect the actual process of which these are all fulfilled. Asking basic questions like "Where should the money come from?" should be a priority, that is just common sense... But that question is never asked and scrutinized to a much extent.

I know you meant education for the poor, i never once entertained the thought of education for the politicans.... I am oppose to that idea... education should be sought, not given... why? It's because i don't accept the idea that it is the responsibility of Juan to take the money of Pedro to pay for the education of Tikla, who all are strangers....

Ka choy gud ana imong nga gipang sulti bai.... dili gyud ko kamao mu-depensa kung wala ray dapat lalisan.

Sa tinuod lang bai, dili gyud ko ka discuss kung unsaon nila pag budget pero basta sure ko naa silay income through tax and other sources. Ila man nang field so dapat/expected makahimo sila ana. Dili man ko manghilabot sa engineer kung unsaon niya pag design ang flyover para lig-on ang resulta kay ila man nang expertise. Kung software dev related pa ni nga problema, basin mas maka go into detail pako bisan unsa imo pangutana.

Tan-aw sad nako nga nahimo nang acceptable/standard para nimo ang mga lasaw nga programa/output sa atong gobyerno nga tan-aw nimo dili na gyud pwede maka himo ug maayo nga plano.
Wala man sad na nagpasabot nga basta2x lang i-gasto ang kwarta para sa edukasyon ni Tikla. Ambot ug naa ba nay touch of greed imo statement kay dili gyud ko ka relate. Labang2x man lang ta ug sturya ani... sakto na. hehe

[emow]

Ka choy gud ana imong nga gipang sulti bai.... dili gyud ko kamao mu-depensa kung wala ray dapat lalisan.

Sa tinuod lang bai, dili gyud ko ka discuss kung unsaon nila pag budget pero basta sure ko naa silay income through tax and other sources. Ila man nang field so dapat/expected makahimo sila ana. Dili man ko manghilabot sa engineer kung unsaon niya pag design ang flyover para lig-on ang resulta kay ila man nang expertise. Kung software dev related pa ni nga problema, basin mas maka go into detail pako bisan unsa imo pangutana.

Tan-aw sad nako nga nahimo nang acceptable/standard para nimo ang mga lasaw nga programa/output sa atong gobyerno nga tan-aw nimo dili na gyud pwede maka himo ug maayo nga plano.
Wala man sad na nagpasabot nga basta2x lang i-gasto ang kwarta para sa edukasyon ni Tikla. Ambot ug naa ba nay touch of greed imo statement kay dili gyud ko ka relate. Labang2x man lang ta ug sturya ani... sakto na. hehe

The issue i'm trying to scrutinize from you is not a matter of skill or expertise, but a moral fundamental question of "where would the government take the money to spend in education?" Why is it a moral question? Because there are injustices done when the government funds programs like education...

I am not saying the government should not fund education because they have a bad record of implementing projects....I'm saying the government should never fund any social program, education/health/housing/insurance...etc... This is called, socialism. And if left unchecked, we will be heading towards communism.

Why are social programs not good? Well, their intentions, sincere and pure, are all good, noble, and at first glance a desirable goal to be achieved... But that is only one side of the coin, the other side is the implementation. Implemented effectively or not, it raises a moral issue that seems to slip by from the minds of the people. Is it morally justifiable for one person to use the money of another person through force, to spend for another person?

I'm not only raising the moral concern but also the actual results versus the desired results. It seems the government doesn't have a passing grade in all of its programs. You know why? Because the government is composed of people, and people will always take their self-interest as priority over others.

The economic consequence of these social programs are clearly evident in our national debt. It has never shrunked, only the amount of increase has been slowed down a bit... But it continues to grow... You can feel the effects of it directly, rising prices, decreased purchasing power, increased costs of living, etc... I'm not greedy at all, but i don't also mind greediness as long as it doesn't stepped on the inalienable rights of other people.

If you refuse to defend your posts, then just ignore this reply. Just keep on browsing and you may learn something of value.

[bronson]

The issue i'm trying to scrutinize from you is not a matter of skill or expertise, but a moral fundamental question of "where would the government take the money to spend in education?" Why is it a moral question? Because there are injustices done when the government funds programs like education...

I am not saying the government should not fund education because they have a bad record of implementing projects....I'm saying the government should never fund any social program, education/health/housing/insurance...etc... This is called, socialism. And if left unchecked, we will be heading towards communism.

Why are social programs not good? Well, their intentions, sincere and pure, are all good, noble, and at first glance a desirable goal to be achieved... But that is only one side of the coin, the other side is the implementation. Implemented effectively or not, it raises a moral issue that seems to slip by from the minds of the people. Is it morally justifiable for one person to use the money of another person through force, to spend for another person?

I'm not only raising the moral concern but also the actual results versus the desired results. It seems the government doesn't have a passing grade in all of its programs. You know why? Because the government is composed of people, and people will always take their self-interest as priority over others.

The economic consequence of these social programs are clearly evident in our national debt. It has never shrunked, only the amount of increase has been slowed down a bit... But it continues to grow... You can feel the effects of it directly, rising prices, decreased purchasing power, increased costs of living, etc... I'm not greedy at all, but i don't also mind greediness as long as it doesn't stepped on the inalienable rights of other people.

If you refuse to defend your posts, then just ignore this reply. Just keep on browsing and you may learn something of value.

ah.. ok. So you want to totally eliminate social programs? I don't see social programs as something bad as long as they do not overdo them... Again I'm not an expert. If you see your way better, then go ahead.

[iyeyasu]

leave it to the experts then

[emow]

ah.. ok. So you want to totally eliminate social programs? I don't see social programs as something bad as long as they do not overdo them... Again I'm not an expert. If you see your way better, then go ahead.

oh, huge national budget deficits are not bad? new taxations are not bad? inflations are not bad? these are the consequences of social programs...

[emow]

leave it to the experts then

bad idea.... committing the same mistake, and just remain in the status quo... we have been doing that...

[rics zalved]

for me

1. sige lang ug panganak, unya di diay kabuhi sa iyang mga anak nga daghan...so asa padulong ang mga anak? bulingit kaayo, way tarong kaon, mag adik2x, adto sa dalan, kaon ug basura, etc..

2. daghan kuwang nga investments sa atong nasud, unya tanang investments naa ra sa Manila, may na lang gani naa na sad sa Cebu, pero pwerteng dakoa ug gap sa Manila ug Cebu in terms of development...labi na sa ubang bahin sa nasud, ang resulta, migration, mao daghang squatters didto, makacause ug baha, daghang krimen.

3. sige ug pangurakot, ang infrasctures di na maatiman, ang health, ang education, nabiyaan, sige lang ta way budget...

[bronson]

oh, huge national budget deficits are not bad? new taxations are not bad? inflations are not bad? these are the consequences of social programs...

hehehe
dili gyud siya mu-undang

sige explain nalang kuno kung nganung bati gyud kaayo na... ug nganu i-eliminate gyud totally ang social programs kay para nimo mao ang cause sa budget problems sa gobyerno.... para nimo murag sakto na ang pagpadagan sa mga public officials sa ato gobyerno kay conclude naman ka nga social programs gyud ang reason nga sige ug pangwarta nya sige gihapon ka pobre ang ato gobyerno. Murag sure kaayo ka nga programs nalang ang sayop ug dili an nga nagpadagan niini.
Palihug nalang ko explain in detail para kasabot tanan o bisan ako lang.... medyo slow ko.

Let us fix this country. Daghan ayuhunon ug dili siguro posible nga usa ka pamaagi lang para maayo. Daghan dapat involved kay walay mr. know-it-all nga maka solve ani with a single plan. Ako ra sad nuon nang pagtan-aw. Pwede ra kaayo ka dili mu-too.

last na ni uy. labad. hehehe

[SioDenz]

not to be regionalistic or anything pero feeling nako mas maayo unta kong daghan bisaya ang naa sa upper levels sa politics kay halos tanan money nato, sa Luzon ra dyud napunta ay.

Not to be regionalistic Kunu nya mu suggest nga mas maayu daghan Bisaya ang naa sa upper levels sa Politics...

Sure ka kasabot ka unsay meaning anang imung Regionalistic?

kana imung comment mao nay isa sa Tubag sa pangutana nga "Where did we go wrong?"

Peace.