CBCP...going too far?

[SamuraiArcher]

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^^sakto......

[junmar4]

mao diay against sa CBCP, Inquirer man!!!

[jancemsy]

corrupted naman nang mga pare karong mga panahona... they dont deserved to be respected anymore... ang limpyo ana sa ila kay kana raman ilang 'costume'... they're just like everyone else

bitaw sa,,, mag apil apil jud.. abig simbahan nalang ilang atindiron dli nalang kanang uban

[dredd41v576]

I'm in favor of the CBCP teaching us the moral values, but I'm not in favor the way they do it on the park/streets. Naa may simbahan di diay pwde didto na lang, or are they just showing their power to gather millions of people in one venue if ever they don't like anything sa government. They are just putting people in harms way.

[nocram]

and they should stay away from politics,they dont have any business in politics,if they want to get involve in this business they need to get out of church business and join the business of politics.it seems to me that these people wants to monopolize everything in this country!!!!

[wanderlust]

I'm in favor of the CBCP teaching us the moral values, but I'm not in favor the way they do it on the park/streets. Naa may simbahan di diay pwde didto na lang, or are they just showing their power to gather millions of people in one venue if ever they don't like anything sa government. They are just putting people in harms way.

The Church is still indirectly controlling (or trying to control) the government because the government is threatened with the withdrawal of its support whenever the government inclines to go against its teachings (take for instance the birth control issue). Our bishops should be the first to heed their call to change character by giving respect to the constitutional provision on the separation of Church and State.

[junmar4]

and they should stay away from politics,they dont have any business in politics,if they want to get involve in this business they need to get out of church business and join the business of politics.it seems to me that these people wants to monopolize everything in this country!!!!

mao ba? No wonder ang mga politicians, especially GMA, daku kaayo ug ngisi in front of prayer rallies before the 2004 elections. Bisan asa pa nga simbahan ug relihiyon. Then kung questionon sila sa simbahan ingnon dayon nga ngano mag-apil-apil?

[budmendz]

mao ba? No wonder ang mga politicians, especially GMA, daku kaayo ug ngisi in front of prayer rallies before the 2004 elections. Bisan asa pa nga simbahan ug relihiyon. Then kung questionon sila sa simbahan ingnon dayon nga ngano mag-apil-apil?

They were merely campaign sorties, not prayer rallies -as Cardinal Vidal already claimed.

[budmendz]

Vidal pleads with clergy to change erring ways

By Bernadette Parco
Cebu Daily News
Last updated 01:24pm (Mla time) 12/29/2006

FACED with complaints that some priests enrich themselves or take advantage of young girls, Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal yesterday made a direct appeal to the clergy under him to change their ways.

The 75-year-old prelate, who has been under pressure to act on cases of misconduct, spoke at the end of the annual Christmas reunion of diocesan and religious priests in Cebu.

“Please, my brother priests,” he said, “what is it that you lack?”

“How much more material things do we need before we can say: I have enough?”

“When we stop to face our own poverty, when do we tell ourselves: No more?”

About 500 priests in the gathering at the San Carlos Minor Seminary in Mabolo, Cebu City listened quietly when the cardinal, who suffers a heart ailment, spoke of the need to remember their roles as trusted stewards and the need to “renew” themselves.

He said they should reform and “do it for the sake of your peace of mind, your own good and your own redemption.”

Vidal did not mention specific cases of wrongdoing, but was clearly affected by recent publicized complaints against a few diocesan priests linked to alleged misuse of parish funds or some who acquired land and valuable property in their names, and last November, the trauma of 20 high school girls who said a priest intimately touched their shoulders and chest during the sacrament of confession when they attended a religious seminar organized by the Abellana National School.

“You have seen how I have suffered in these past weeks,” said Vidal. As archbishop, he has absorbed a lot of the flak for reports of misconduct being the direct superior and moral leader of more than 2,000 diocesan priests in Cebu.

A running dispute in the St. Tomas de Villanueva parish of Pardo, Cebu City has ripened into a libel case filed by Fr. Domingo Tapic against a group of parishioners who accused him of misusing church funds and enriching himself.

The group wrote Cardinal Vidal last July complaining that church collections went to the pockets of the priests Fr. Tapic and Fr. Constantino Diotay, and that several properties were now in the names of the clergymen.

In the ANS case of sexual harassment, Vidal forbade the priest from further saying Mass or hearing confession but has refused to identify him to government authorities until a case is filed in court, a stand that could alienate the faithful who disapprove of any “coverup” by the church.

One ANS student-victim yesterday picked out “Fr. Ben”, the suspected priest, from photos of the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI).

Yesterday’s Christmas get-together in a seminary’s covered gym gathered priests for lunch, camaraderie and some dance presentations. Vidal’s talk came at the end, followed by applause but no formal response from the clergy audience. Vidal later distributed calendars as his Christmas gifts.

Diocesan priests take a vow of chastity and are supposed to live a “spirit of poverty”, but it’s not uncommon to see priests owning expensive cars and real estate, or parish priests foregoing any public accounting of money collected from churchgoers during Mass or donors of charity projects.

“We deny ourselves of material things but we do not know what to let go and what to let be,” said Vidal in his closing remarks.

My message is too long. All I want to say is, 'Please remind yourselves that you are priests,'” Vidal said in conclusion.

Under its Code of Canon Law, the Catholic Church has the right to acquire and administer “temporal goods” to promote its goals.

“Temporal goods” refer to things which have economic value and are priced, like real estate, money, and personal property. However, priests and bishops should act as “fatihful stewards” of the goods under their care, and offerings given to parishes, shrines, monasteries and religious superiors “are presumed to be given to the institution and not the individual” based on documents of the 2002 Priests’ Congress of the Cebu Archdiocese.

In another twist of the Pardo parish case, driver Pol Navarro Padasas, one of the key witnesses of Fr. Tapic, announced yesterday that he was withdrawing his support for the priest.

The driver had first issued a statement supporting the complaining residents of Sto. Tomas de Villanueva Parish in Pardo, Cebu City. He later disowned it in a second affidavit prepared by the group of Fr. Tapic.

In his third statement yesterday, he said he signed the earlier recantation because “I was pressured by Fr. Tapic and his supporters to sign it.”

His lawyer Joselito Lopez said the recent change of heart was significant in the pending libel charges against 12 members of the Kalihukang Katoliko Karon (KKK2) because “the case of Fr. Tapic is mainly founded on the retraction of Pol.”

Fr. Tapic filed the libel complaint after pamphlets criticizing his actions were distributed in the parish. He said they were “malicious”.

Cebu Daily News asked Fr. Tapic yesterday for his reaction to the recantation of his witness but he declined, saying the case was already pending in court.

In an interview after the clergy's annual Christmas party, Cardinal Vidal said he was not worried about the driver’s retraction in the case involving Fr. Tapic, “as long as it was done honestly.”

Asked why Fr. Tapic and Msgr. Diotay have not been transferred as petitioned by complaining parishioners, Cardinal Vidal said the two were found not to have violated any Church law.

“There is nothing in the Canon Law that states that a person can be evicted immediately,” Vidal said. He said proceedings of the case have been properly investigated and documented.

During yesterday's press conference, Padasas told reporters he was moved to uphold his original statement on the controversy because of conscience: “Nakonsiyensya man ko.”

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Read this link about Poland's Church Spying Scandal

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/...church_scandal

Bisage ma-pareha na ang CBCP ana nila. I think, mao na ang reaction kung ang church mo-apil sa state affairs.