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    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    That's ok, no offense taken. Yes i believe that Adam was created not born, there's no argument about that. First, God is a spirit, and spirit don't have a gender. God can even manifest through anything He wanted to be. But when He manifested in a flesh, He took the form of a male gender. Let not limit God since He is a Supreme being.
    I believe that there is God... since we don't know what his gender is... we can only assume what our minds telling us. God manifest but humans are imaginative. Big difference isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    Let's go back to that cord.. If we have to put it in our own concept and all senses, what you said may be true, but would you think it won't violate His design? We have to understand that He was pleased with His creation and if He was pleased, it was very good. If it was very good it was perfect. Do you think God would change it and say 'Oh i forgot the umbilical cord, let me put a hole in Adam's belly'. It would be hilarious.
    For sure guys don't have a placenta, that's why He created a help meet, Eve as a female.
    There is no violation here in the first place. We humans think and imagine or theorize things... are those violations? I don't think they are. There is no reason why people think of His "design" as questionable... we think it's a violation because we put ourselves into that level. Instead of looking for answers, we stop looking because it's all God's "design". We keep our mind to exercise what is pertaining to discover. I know God has a purpose - that is to discover. but since it was a dead end theory, we can only assume that Adam and Eve have umbilical cords. that's about it... assume that they have. Moreover, if God created a perfect man and woman, we all be gods and goddesses now but as that popular story goes... he tested both if they can withstand temptations. Perfect in a sense of questionable behavior... AKA not so perfect at all. Then the umbilical cord came into view... was there even another creature before Adam or Eve? maybe they got it from another species. Or maybe they were both poked on their torso so they can have "umbilical cord". Do you see what I'm pointing? Humans speculate too much that it turned out to be a BIG QUESTION MARK.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    Adam is a product of His own design or thoughts. God knew beforehand menstruation, ovulation and fertilization, how would a zygote or fetus developed (including the development of the umbilical cord), or on how human life begins. From the conception until the death of a human body. God knew what your body would compose of, how would your bone support you, your muscles, tendons and cartilage, from a single cell to tissues and to organs. How your heart would pump blood..these are just a few of his majestic works.
    This is what science filled in the gap. We speculate that science can explain their posod as real. But Science never did accepted the truth behind Adam and Eve's belly buttons. You're trying to prove your theory through science and yet science didn't accept it at first. The Bible didn't explain all these that you said! It's us who made these up. If God knew what our body is, he should have explained what Adam and Eve are made of. Like, what nerves are made of, blood vessels are made of, what made humans stand, walk, run and jump. These things are not included in the Bible. If God knew it, he could have told Moses to write everything up so that future generations will understand and that there will be no science to confuse people.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    God didn't beget Adam.
    Of course, he was "created" not born with. So, there is no posod to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    If you would asked me, if Adam's umbilical cord was clamped, i may say no or i don't know. but for sure Adam's tummy and your tummy will surely alike.
    Yes, ours and his are alike but with the exceptions of posod.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    Ohh, i need to sleep though, sleep is a word..

    Nytnyt!

    Beautiful avatar you got there though..BTW may i call you sir or ma'm?

    God bless us all.
    You can call me Maribel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox View Post
    i got a question for you..... unsay purpose sa imong appendix? para dli ka mka kiat inig human ug kaon? hehehe.

    btaw wui.. i think naa jud. God made man with his image and likeness... so naa jud. - mao lang ni akong opinion.
    You might want to read more biology books. And credible ones. Not just school texts.



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  3. #63
    god created man in his own image and likeness.

    so naay pusod si god.

    ang pangutana ngano naay pusod si god?

    ahehe. gipanganak diay pud siya?

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    I believe that there is God... since we don't know what his gender is... we can only assume what our minds telling us. God manifest but humans are imaginative. Big difference isn't it?
    I believe in a sovereign God too, not just believing that He exist but also believe who He is and what His power capable of. So i have learned to live for an audience of One. For in Him we live, and move and have being.
    This is one of the assumptions that man has made, assumed that God is same as a man that He should lie (Numbers 23:19), assumed that God is same as a man that has a mother and father that they would keep on saying that He was born too.
    Joseph and Mary were instruments or vessels for God to manifest in the flesh, even(that is) Jesus Christ.
    It is written...
    1 Timothy 3:16
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    How could that be an imagination since it was written?

    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    There is no violation here in the first place. We humans think and imagine or theorize things... are those violations? I don't think they are. There is no reason why people think of His "design" as questionable... we think it's a violation because we put ourselves into that level. Instead of looking for answers, we stop looking because it's all God's "design". We keep our mind to exercise what is pertaining to discover. I know God has a purpose - that is to discover. but since it was a dead end theory, we can only assume that Adam and Eve have umbilical cords. that's about it... assume that they have. Moreover, if God created a perfect man and woman, we all be gods and goddesses now but as that popular story goes... he tested both if they can withstand temptations. Perfect in a sense of questionable behavior... AKA not so perfect at all. Then the umbilical cord came into view... was there even another creature before Adam or Eve? maybe they got it from another species. Or maybe they were both poked on their torso so they can have "umbilical cord". Do you see what I'm pointing? Humans speculate too much that it turned out to be a BIG QUESTION MARK.
    Let's understand first when i said violate on my previous post.
    Violate = disregard something: to act contrary to something such as a law, contract, or agreement, especially in a way that produces significant effects
    Microsoft® Encarta® 2008. © 1993-2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
    If we conclude that Adam doesnt have a navel it is surely a violation of Law of Physiology in humans, since God understands and designed the structure of living things. It would also be a violation of the development of an embryo. There would be no argument if we both believe that Adam was the product of God's design when it comes to the development of a fertilized egg cell.

    If a man can't withstand temptations was any physical aspects involved? or was it his decisions, will or thoughts involved? when i said perfect, God designed man or human flesh to work perfectly. how would your liver, heart, lungs, kidneys, stomach, intestines, blood and etc work together perfectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    This is what science filled in the gap. We speculate that science can explain their posod as real. But Science never did accepted the truth behind Adam and Eve's belly buttons. You're trying to prove your theory through science and yet science didn't accept it at first. The Bible didn't explain all these that you said! It's us who made these up. If God knew what our body is, he should have explained what Adam and Eve are made of. Like, what nerves are made of, blood vessels are made of, what made humans stand, walk, run and jump. These things are not included in the Bible. If God knew it, he could have told Moses to write everything up so that future generations will understand and that there will be no science to confuse people.
    You might have a wrong notion on science. People have wrong impression that when you are a scientist you dont believe in God. Though, it was started by few scientist namely Einstein, Darwin and etc. You may try to research that mostly of the scientist believe in God.

    We may be exhausted for those people who dont believe in God but even Albert Einstein went on to write, "Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe--a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."

    The Designer, that caused our universe and designed our human structure possesses an intellect, knowledge, creativity and power trillions and trillions of times greater than we humans have.

    God even knew what our body made of and why you said "If" that would be contrary to your belief?

    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    Of course, he was "created" not born with. So, there is no posod to begin with.
    Adam is the result of God's marvelous design on human flesh.. God already knew His design and since Adam was the product of it, Adam was also subject to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    Yes, ours and his are alike but with the exceptions of posod.
    For sure God created Adam having no wings that's why you can't fly. You don't have feathers because Adam's gene hasnt. Adam's genes is also in you.

    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    You can call me Maribel.
    Hi, Maribel. have a wonderful day..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JX View Post
    you mixed the Bible and science.. posted something from the Bible and posted something from biology.. science would never accept magic, and as far as humans, thats the only way how we can come up with how the heavens and the earth was formed, Biblically.. and in science on the other hand is different, evolution was the reason..
    point was, the post from the Bible says we dont know, yet on the latter, says we do know.. so which is which..

    just asking really, so i may understand..
    If you will give me an opportunity to explain it to you, i will gladly appreciate it.
    All I ask is that you refrain from disbelieving.

    God bless us all.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    If you will give me an opportunity to explain it to you, i will gladly appreciate it.
    All I ask is that you refrain from disbelieving.

    God bless us all.
    this is an open forum, affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated here, we both know i just cant change my mind bec the other side is asking me to change my mind.. take the floor whenever you're ready..

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    Quote Originally Posted by grovestreet View Post
    god created man in his own image and likeness.

    so naay pusod si god.

    ang pangutana ngano naay pusod si god?

    ahehe. gipanganak diay pud siya?
    Sakto nga argument.

    So walay pusod si Adam and Eve.

    And following the same logic, since Genesis claim nga Adam and Eve wala gipanganak, so wala silay pusod.


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    If god created man in his own image, how come I'm not invisible?
    - David Powers

  9. #69
    I think yes...they had belly buttons!!!!

    pls visit..https://www.istorya.net/forums/spirit...-vote-now.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by grovestreet View Post
    If god created man in his own image, how come I'm not invisible?
    - David Powers
    God created us in his own image... for me bro, its not physically... but, spiritually...

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