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  1. #681

    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    giving up so fast?

    lol! "i know you love him" haha, mura mag telenovela

    nope, no emotions here just backing up what i posted

    now you on the other hand are trying to redirect this conversation, you failed to back up your arguments, you failed to answer my question, now youre just throwing anything you can pick up from my posts, turning words like "honor" into "hero", just so you can still keep up, and this time adding "i know you love him", whats next?

    fabrication at its worst, publicly pajud...hehehe
    Did I say I give up i smell fabrication.. the thing is I'm just smart enough to realise that its not healthy talking to a dog that only knows how to bark.. so I would better leave before it turns me into a crazy b!tch! Bleah!!

  2. #682
    Quote Originally Posted by Undone23 View Post
    Did I say I give up i smell fabrication.. the thing is I'm just smart enough to realise that its not healthy talking to a dog that only knows how to bark.. so I would better leave before it turns me into a crazy b!tch! Bleah!!
    fabrication? nope, thats your art. as well as magic, misdirection. im merely asking.=)

    good idea, leave now cause you already are. bwahaha

  3. #683
    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    you already arehehehe

    nope, thats your art. im merely asking.=)

    ahaha ni ti-ti pa jud...

  4. #684
    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    I don't know about you pero wala kaayo koy bilib sa atong justice system. Ombudsman palang klaro na kaayo nga naay gi protektahan kay ngano ni plea bargain unya sige ug excuse nga lisod daw ang case... that kind of attitude sa case smells of backdoor negotiations... im sure you know how politics works in this country.

    IF you are basing your acceptance of facts on our courts... you are first assuming nga infallible ug tarong ang atong courts... which they are most certainly not.

    The media can victimize a person as well as label him a hero... you need to sift through the information and make your own judgment on the issue.

    Also, when someone like Rabusa says something... imbis mu verify if what he said is true or not...we immediately attack the person to try and discredit him. We get so much involved in personalities unya the content is lost in the process.

    Sa case ni Reyes... katong pabaon nga 50 million lang for example... si Reyes didn't deny it... he did ask rabusa "Did I ever ask for it"... by that statement alone... it is so obvious that he accepted the money like he accepted corruption as a way of life sa AFP. If you read his last interview... he claims that corruption was already there when he entered... and he projected himself as someone working within a corrupted or imperfect system.

    If you are to make an analogy of a newbie who applied for a job but then realized that the company he's working for is crooked... then he simply went with the flow and accepted it as "normal".

    That in itself is SIN of Omission... Evil prevails when good men do nothing... Reyes not only did nothing but he went along with it and didn't protest against it or expose the wrongdoings sa AFP.
    Bai VIP, nahimo naman gud nang SOP nila then daghan sad naka benefit ana nga sistema diha sa AFP even the lower ranks. pero the way they handled the investigation naka focus ra jud kang reyes why not asked the others like biazon, ramos and other former CoS? i think even gringo and enrile knows about this...

  5. #685
    Quote Originally Posted by Undone23 View Post
    ahaha ni ti-ti pa jud...
    OT: sorry cant help it!

    back to topic...

    Robles: Malacañang knew it wasn’t Reyes but did nothing
    abs-cbnNEWS.com
    Posted at 02/13/2011 5:51 AM | Updated as of 02/13/2011 5:52 AM


    MANILA, Philippines - Retired Navy Commodore Rex Robles scored Malacañang for failing to protect the military institution and the late former Armed Forced of the Philippines (AFP) chief Angelo Reyes from being dragged into the military fund scandal.

    At the necrological services for Reyes on Saturday, Robles revealed that Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV has informed Malacañang that Reyes was not the 'padrino' of former military comptrollers, including Carlos Garcia who has been accused with plundering military coffers.

    "Sinabi nya (Trillanes) sa Malacañang yun (that Reyes was not involved)," Robles told the audience.

    "Sa Malacañang, andun yung commander-in-chief natin. (Pero) ang commander-in-chief natin, walang kibo. Bakit di nya sabihin sa Senate na, 'Sandali lang, hindi si Reyes yan, mga anak ko ito.' Is the AFP orphan?" Reyes's long-time friend said.

    Robles said the feeling of being orphaned hit Reyes hard. "That is what made Angie Reyes feel low. That is one of the reasons why Angie (Reyes) feels parang walang pakialam samantalang alam ng Malacañang kung sino iyon (the padrino of Garcia)."

    An upper class cadet of Reyes at the Philippine Military Academy (PMA) in the 1960's, Robles has been vocal about wanting to help Reyes wiggle out of the controversy that, he thinks, has made a whipping boy out of Reyes to divert attention from the fact that Garcia was able to walk free following a plea bargaining agreement, which allowed him to post bail after six years in detention.

    Robles has also been vocal about expressing disgust at Trillanes, a former Navy Lieutenant who was among those who staged the failed 2003 Oakwood mutiny and won a seat in Senate while in jail, and at Parañaque Rep. Roilo Golez, a retired Navy officer, who had asked the House of Representatives to investigate the plea bargain that the Office of the Ombudsman had entered into with Garcia.

    In his previous interviews, Robles said Reyes had sent an emissary to Trillanes after a congressman, purportedly Golez, revealed last Jan. 14 that it was the late AFP chief who was coddling the military comptrollers' misdeeds.

    In the hand-delivered letter by a Trillanes classmate at the PMA, Reyes reportedly stressed to Trillanes that he was not involved in the fund mess and challenged the senator to identify the powerful official behind Garcia.

    However, in the Jan. 28 Senate hearing on Garcia's controversial plea bargaining agreement, Trillanes echoed Golez's claim that Reyes was indeed involved. Trillanes had said he was irked by Reyes's claims that he never benefited from corruption while in the military.

    After Reyes committed suicide on Feb. 8, Trillanes said someone higher than Reyes must have been behind Garcia.

    Robles then then addressed the military men in the audience: "You must think of your role and resist every effort for the forces of darkness to get at you and make you do what you must not do, which is to pervert the rule of law."

  6. #686
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    What lessons we can be learn from Angelo's life as well as his tragic death? Many of us are surely asking questions such as why? What does it achieve? For whose benefit?
    Whatever side you may be in battle, warriors will always honor those who die fighting. Whatever we may think of Angie Reyes, he did not cower or crumble. Even in death he denied his enemies victory and the pleasure of conquest.
    Ultimately whatever reason may have led him to take his own life, he made the choice and in so doing he was at least willing and man enough to pay the price.
    In the words of warriors of old, “He, was a worthy opponent”.
    May he rest in peace and may his family find comfort in their great loss.
    It just occurred to me that the on-going probe on the corruption within the Armed Forces of the Philippines and allegations of impropriety among COA auditors goes far beyond Generals and accountants.
    What should be, and really is on trial today is our ENTIRE Justice System.
    Every lawyer who has bent the rules, told a white lie, every prosecutor who did not do his work well or allowed his bias to take over, every judge, justice and officer of the Courts, the Office of the Ombudsman as well as the branches of the Department of Justice is on trial.
    While everyone talks about the controversial plea bargain with Major General Carlos Garcia, the underlying truth that many lawmakers and lawyers have casually revealed is that out ENTIRE Justice System is corrupted.
    Sadly, the corruption has invaded the very core of our value system.
    If “leaders” or professionals can no longer tell the difference between right or wrong, when officers of the court are caught in their own web of lies yet have the nerve to say they’re doing their job, if officers no longer act as gentlemen but as outright liars; there is something very wrong with our moral fabric.
    When the very people who have the most to gain, choose to be silent and are afraid, it tells us that “justice” in the Philippines does not exist.
    We must be aware of the laws, we must be aware of the consequences and punishment for breaking the laws and we must have reason to believe (predictability) that the law will be enforced and punishment will be rendered.
    We as citizens must have reason to believe that we will benefit by obeying the laws individually or collectively.
    We must be convinced without an iota of a doubt that when we perform our duties by observing the law or reporting a violation of the law, that the burden of proof as well as the punishment will be upon the law breaker and not the law abiding citizen.
    We as citizens must have the confidence and the security that when we stand before any court whether of law or quasi-judicial, our rights and our dignity will be respected by any judge, justice or legislator.
    Ultimately a decision must be handed down, “Without fear or favor”.

  7. #687
    Quote Originally Posted by garner View Post
    We as citizens must have the confidence and the security that when we stand before any court whether of law or quasi-judicial, our rights and our dignity will be respected by any judge, justice or legislator.
    very difficult but doable depende unsa na trial imu gi barogan... if you want justice you have to start by having confidence in these people, sakto, got first hand experience, doable but not easy going through it, but once youre through it, you come out dignified!

  8. #688
    Quote Originally Posted by trollaccount View Post
    Even Trillanes a self styled hard a$$ military man who has zero combat experience does not have the balls to die for others or his beliefs. People are too selfish, too cowardly to do what Reyes did.
    do you have something to back this up that trillanes has zero combat experience?

    there were more than 200 soldiers who backed up trillanes during the oakwood mutiny, these soldiers will not put their career on line if they dont believe and respect the leadership of the other...

    you earn respect in the military not just by sitting in a comfortable chair or giving orders to lower ranks its fighting side by side with them which earn their respect .... besides most PMA graduate pag human graduate kay sa field gyud i-assign.

  9. #689
    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    well if you read the news he is often called Angie and he isnt the big guys/mastermind on this corruption issue, i cant gave out links i still got hangover lol just google it or backread sa mga links here.

    the thing is they are diverting the issue from Garcia to Reyes, senators like Trillanes and Jinggoy are singling on Angie cause they got grudge on him and hes a GMA ally. and they want to implicate GMA on this issue. They should named names para mahuman na ni, from the bigger thiefs down to the smaller.. in that order

    no one letting go of Angie accountability but we should certainly expect accusers to back their allegations with evidences. Angie did denied(forgotten) that pabaon thing and did tried to sue Jinggoy and Rabusa for defamation/graft. whether his suicide is an admission of guilt, pressure from being single out, death threats, dishonour their family name or protecting his family. people want the truth and demand the truth hopefully naa gyud padungan ang senate hearing.

    btw you pro-Trillanes?
    oh im not pro-trillanes i just believe that the way trillanes act is reasonable concerning the reality in the afp....

    people here who knew someone in the service surely knows why. oakwood mutiny was a call that rampant corruption is happening in the afp.

    if trillanes has any fault it would be he lacks diplomacy... nkalimutan nya na wala na siya sa gera nasa senado na siya... in anyway it is still refreshing...

  10. #690
    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    I don't agree with this article at all! Maypa si Miriam ug Trillanes wala magpa pogi sa media...

    Just because a person who is obviously part and parcel of corruption dies... wer supposed to honor them and sing good graces about them... that's just stupid imho.

    Sobra ra ta ka forgiving as a nation and that kind of attitude will embolden corrupt people because they know that we will just easily allow or forgive them.

    So Angelo Reyes shot himself... people may have driven him to do it but he was not forced to do it. He made that decision and he has his own reasons whether it be personal feelings of guilt, humiliation, hopelessness...

    I would say that other corrupt people from the AFP take his lead and kill themselves too. That's one way of ridding out the corruption in the AFP.

    And about the issue of "respect".... respect is given not because of someone's position... rather, respect is earned through words and deeds. You can follow orders of a senior officer but that does not mean that the senior officer has earned the respect of his subordinates.

    So Reyes was a General while Trillanes was then a Lieutenant... but one was involved in corruption while the other fought and exposed the corruption... now.. who among the two is more deserving of respect?

    The only person with blood on his hands is the one who pulled the trigger...
    i agree with this one.

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