Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[SioDenz]

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aron dili ka mailad you should read the Bible. we never force one person to accept our teaching. just like Jesus came here not for all man. but to those who are willing to accept and do what he did here on earth.

Pero kusog mureklamu mu if ma Close ang Threads kay di na maka sangyaw sa ilang tinuhuan. Hypocrisy at its best

[SioDenz]

They always thought bro nga ang atong pagshare sa kamatuoran, gipugos na sila. Kitang tanan gihatagan man sa Ginoo ug saktong panghunahuna either tuohan nato iyang pulong or i reject, simple as that! Dili lang mag insulto kay wala baya ta magbinastos diri.

Di jud dapat mamugos kay same ra baya tah nangita sa kamatuoran. Ang Ginoo ray dunay Gahom para makakita sa atung kasing-kasing if Nagsubay ba jud ta OR sakto ba jud atung Pagtuo niya. Di man gani ta makahibalo if atung gibuhat sakto ba or dili, ang ubang tawo na nuon.

[wormwoods]

Pero kusog mureklamu mu if ma Close ang Threads kay di na maka sangyaw sa ilang tinuhuan. Hypocrisy at its best

Tinuod ka nga Christian or Fake? naglibog ko nimo, pa quote2 pa kag apil ug mga verses.

[wormwoods]

Di jud dapat mamugos kay same ra baya tah nangita sa kamatuoran. Ang Ginoo ray dunay Gahom para makakita sa atung kasing-kasing if Nagsubay ba jud ta OR sakto ba jud atung Pagtuo niya. Di man gani ta makahibalo if atung gibuhat sakto ba or dili, ang ubang tawo na nuon.

Naa raman diay na, nganong masuko man mo kung among ishare among gituohan nga kamatuoran? wala man sad mi mamugos bisan usa. Share lang sad sa imohang idea! angay ba ka masuko kung lig-on imong belief?

[SioDenz]

Tinuod ka nga Christian or Fake? naglibog ko nimo, pa quote2 pa kag apil ug mga verses.

Ambot nimu kay sa akong nahibal-an ang Tinuod nga Kristiano dili Hypocrite. Ang tinuod nga Kristiano di manghambog nga sila ray nakasabot ang uban wala. Ang tinuod nga Kritiano dili mapahistas-on nga siya ray naka kita sa kamatuoran unya ang uban wala. Mga Hipokrito nuon naa daghan ana, basaha sa gud sa Bibliya kay himasa man ka. I kumpara daw ang mga batasan sa mga Pareseo nya i compare sa imung batasan nga ikaw ray nakasabot sa Pulong sa Ginoo - di ba pareha ra.

Kanang mu ingun ka nga nakasabot naka sa Pulong sa Ginoo, di diay na pagpataas?

[SioDenz]

Naa raman diay na, nganong masuko man mo kung among ishare among gituohan nga kamatuoran? wala man sad mi mamugos bisan usa. Share lang sad sa imohang idea! angay ba ka masuko kung lig-on imong belief?

Unya nganu mu reklamo man if ma close ang Thread if wa man diay mamugos? Kung muhatag ka ug usa ka butang problema nah na sa imung ghatagan if unsaon nila. If mureklamu ka nganu na close kay ganahan ka maka basa ang uban sa imung post - Di ba NAMUGOS ka nga DILI i CLose imung gi share nga Tinuhuan?

Sama ra na If muhatag ka kwarta sa isa ka makililimos para ipalit ug pagkaon nya wa niya gipalit. Nya mu reklamu ka kay gusto nimu ipalit jud ug pagkaon - Di diay na pagpamugos ang tawag ana?

[wormwoods]

Unya nganu mu reklamo man if ma close ang Thread if wa man diay mamugos? Kung muhatag ka ug usa ka butang problema nah na sa imung ghatagan if unsaon nila. If mureklamu ka nganu na close kay ganahan ka maka basa ang uban sa imung post - Di ba NAMUGOS ka nga DILI i CLose imung gi share nga Tinuhuan?

Sama ra na If muhatag ka kwarta sa isa ka makililimos para ipalit ug pagkaon nya wa niya gipalit. Nya mu reklamu ka kay gusto nimu ipalit jud ug pagkaon - Di diay na pagpamugos ang tawag ana?

Akong pangutana, sa tanang member diri sa istorya pareha ba nimo ug panghunahuna?
Kung mao na inyong pagtreat diri sa mga Christian post, WALA JUD NAY PROBLEMA! at least kasabot nami.

But still dili gihapon na makapugong sa pagshare sa kamatuoran!

marine77 out-wormwoods in. wormwoods out.....

[wormwoods]

bitaw bro, lets not try to insult one another give chance to others lang. what we seek is the truth! basta wala lang magbinastos diri okay raman. sakit gud usahay ang kamatuoran but instead of suppresing we should rather face and ponder on it.

[JcBoY]

Here on this thread are the typical Christians who have different interpretations of their own book!

And the MAIN REASON is because the BIBLE can no longer be traced to the ORIGINAL language when it was revealed and this will continue till the end of time. So, what will be the outcome? CONFUSION....

[wormwoods]

Here on this thread are the typical Christians who have different interpretations of their own book!

And the MAIN REASON is because the BIBLE can no longer be traced to the ORIGINAL language when it was revealed and this will continue till the end of time. So, what will be the outcome? CONFUSION....

Study your religion first before making such conclusion. Wala lang moy freedom mo go against sa inyong belief mao you seemed united. UNITY in belief does not necessarily mean UNIFORMITY of expression -ravi zacharias.

We believe as a diverse being created in the image of God, we as an individual have different personalities, expressions, likings. Ex: Some christians are happy-clappy type while some prefer a solemn worship. What's important is not the label on the bottle but what's inside of it. We Christians united in the same Spirit and we believe on the same Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We know that you muslims also have divisions but we understand that.

Divisions within Islam

by Matt Slick
Because of Islam's great growth geographically in the first two centuries of its inception, there needed to be a larger set of Islamic laws capable of handling the different needs of Muslims throughout the Empire. The Qur'an and the Hadith were not detailed enough to provide all the answers. Therefore, in the 8th century A.D., there arose a school of legal experts who interpreted and applied Islamic principles to different situations throughout the Empire. However, different scholars disagreed with these experts in various areas. This led to a variety of legal schools of thought within Islam.

These different schools became different sects within Islam. The largest of the sects is the Sunni which comprises about 90% of all Muslims. The next two largest are the Shi'i and Sufi. After these, there are numerous splinter groups which are often named after the individual scholars who began them: Hanifa, after Abu Hanifa; Maliki, after Malik ibn Anas; Shafi'i, after Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi'i; Zaydi, after Zayd ibn Ali; the Nusayri, Ismaili, Murji'ah, etc.

Sunni Muslims

Sunni Muslims These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers, and are considered to be main stream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures, while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith and consensus of Muslims.

The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation. Strict determinism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage.

Shi'ite Muslims

The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occured after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son in law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima.

Shi'ism is broken into three main sects: the Twelve-Imam, (Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria), the Zaydis (Yemen), and the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group, of course, has differences of doctrine.

"Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports: these are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the Judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate1 (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis; the Imamate, however , is the essence of Shi'ism, and the last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites, or rationalists, whose system is in many ways perpetuated in Shi'ite theology..." The Imamate, fom the word "Imam", in the Shi'ite traditions is the political and religious leader of the Shi'ite sect. This person possesses great power and influence. According to Shi'ite doctrine, the Imam must be a biological successor of Ali. The Imam is also sinless and infallible on all matters of Islamic doctrine and will intercede for Muslims in the afterlife. The Shi'i and the Sunni differ in some interpretations of the Qur'an and
Hadith and even have a different canon of Hadith and the Sunni.

Sufi Muslims

The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God. This sect "officially" developed around the 10th century and has since fragmented into different orders: Ahmadiyya, Qadariyya, Tijaniyya, etc. Of course, the Sufi believe their roots can be traced back to the inception of Islam in the early 7th century.

The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation. There are various forms of abstinence and poverty. Worldly things are renounced and a complete trust in God's will is taught. The goal is to attain to a higher knowledge and experience of Allah. The mystical focus meant that the Qur'an could be interpreted in different ways and so Sufism taught that the Qur'an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages. Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers. Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one. Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.

In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that had developed in the Empire at that time. Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope and with it, the material gain was great.

Conclusion

As you can see, Islam is not the united religious system it claims to be. There are divisions among its ranks and even those divisions have divisions. But what is interesting is that the Qur'an tells the Muslims to have no such divisions.

"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the [sic] which we have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which we enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them..." (42:13)

If this is the case, then the Muslim must admit that the divisions within Islam are sinful. But, such is the nature of humanity, to divide and set ourselves against one another.