Tinuod ba may porgatoryo?

[rcruman]

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ok. but at least saints are praying for us as we ask help for them.

meaning the dead saints can still pray for your sins?

here read the bible:
10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9:10

where in the bible "words of GOD" can you read that dead people can pray for your sins?

in the bible, the one who will pray for yours sins are the living:
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:18

and we only have one mediator towards GOD:
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 2:1-5


Peace!

[rcruman]

cge raman ta tuyok2 oi.. gitubag na btaw ka naa rana nimo kung d ka kadawat..hehe

cge bro bryt nka wala nay makalupig sa imo pagka bryt.. no comment..hehehe

nagtuyok tuyok lang gyud ta kay ikaw man ang sigeg tuyok.

Peace!

[rcruman]

naa daw na sa kamot sa ginuo bro..hehe

sister, paila lang gyud ka nga dili ka mutuo sa bible.
ka klaro ana nga ingon sa bible, nya imo pa gyud butangan og "KUNO".
paila lang gyud nga dili ka sure.

basa balik:
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
Job 12:10

nya imo gileral og sabot nga kamot, sister sa bible pasabot sa kamot sa Ginoo kay naa sa iyang gahum or pagdumala.
Spirit baya ang Ginoo.

Peace!

[rcruman]

hala mam dili man ko maayo sa bible si rcruman ay.

o, maayo ka sa Cathecism og Apostolic Tradition.

Peace!

[rcruman]

mao jud..hehehe pero d na mutuo bro kay wala nakasulat sa bible ang word nga Holy Apostolic Tradition.. pustaanay pa..ehehehe

naay daghan apostle sa una nga nagsulat pero ang question, tinuod ba nga apostle ni Christ ang nagsulat?
kung dili ka magbasa sa bible, kay tanang sulat nga naay moclaim nga gikan sa apostle kay ato dayon tuohan. Naay giingon sa bible:

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 4:1-4

og kay:
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:24

Many people has been deceive because they failed to tried the spirit.

and lastly:

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8-9

BISAN KINSA PA ANG MAGPAILA NGA APOSTLE OR PROPHET OR EVEN JESUS CHRIST, USA RA GYUD ATO HINUMDUMAN, ATO SUSIHON KUNG GIKAN BA SA GINOO ANG IYA GIPANGSULTI.

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16-17

READ THE BIBLE, and TRY the SPIRITS if they are of GOD!

Peace!

[rcruman]

unsa man explaination nimo sa JOB 42:8, ang ang ginoo, naka dungog sa mga pag ampo sa mga makasasala pero dapat mo adto sila ni job para si job maoy mo ampo nila tapus gi tuman sa Ginoo ang pag ampo ni job.

bro kay puede man muampo ang buhi para sa imo sala.
DIBA BUHI PA SI JOB SA DIHANG ILA GIDALA ANG MGA 7 BULLOCKS AS OFFERING?
puede muampo ang saserdote og ang mga buhi:

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:16

Pero ang inyo mga santos? pila na katuig patay? maka-ampo pa diay?
Nya ang naa sa JOB kay buhi ang tao, pero sa inyohang purgatory patay na.

james 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. (NIV)

Yes sakto!, pero tanan bang sala?
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:16

nya ang naa sa James 5:16 kay puro buhi sila, nya ang inyo doctrine kay ang PATAY maoy ato i-ampo og patabang mo sa mga santos nga puro patay.

basa:
10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9:10

Revelation 5:8 (New International Version)
8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Yes prayer of the saints, pero kinsa nga saints? kato bang mga patay?

basa:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11

kabantay ka sa verse 11? kaistorya ni Pablo ang mga Santos "YE ARE SANCTIFIED".

og ang mga santos kay:
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Corinthians 1:2

buhi ang mga santos dili patay.

og ang Revelations nga imo gigamit kay prophetic na og mahitabo pa lang.

PEace!

[Psalter Spectre]

" It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins" (2 Mac 12:46)

I finally got the right verse in the Bible. Thanks Holy Souls Crusade - Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord. De Profundis

If a man departs this life with lighter faults, he is condemned to fire which burns away the lighter materials, and prepares the soul for the kingdom of God, where nothing defiled may enter. For if on the foundation of Christ you have built not only gold and silver and precious stones (I Cor., 3); but also wood and hay and stubble, what do you expect when the soul shall be separated from the body? Would you enter into heaven with your wood and hay and stubble and thus defile the kingdom of God; or on account of these hindrances would you remain without and receive no reward for your gold and silver and precious stones? Neither is this just. It remains then that you be committed to the fire which will burn the light materials; for our God to those who can comprehend heavenly things is called a cleansing fire. But this fire consumes not the creature, but what the creature has himself built, wood, and hay and stubble. It is manifest that the fire destroys the wood of our transgressions and then returns to us the reward of our great works. (Patres Groeci. XIII, col. 445, 448 [A.D. 185-232]).

[dartzed]

naay daghan apostle sa una nga nagsulat pero ang question, tinuod ba nga apostle ni Christ ang nagsulat?
kung dili ka magbasa sa bible, kay tanang sulat nga naay moclaim nga gikan sa apostle kay ato dayon tuohan. Naay giingon sa bible:

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 4:1-4

og kay:
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:24

Many people has been deceive because they failed to tried the spirit.

and lastly:

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8-9

BISAN KINSA PA ANG MAGPAILA NGA APOSTLE OR PROPHET OR EVEN JESUS CHRIST, USA RA GYUD ATO HINUMDUMAN, ATO SUSIHON KUNG GIKAN BA SA GINOO ANG IYA GIPANGSULTI.

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16-17

READ THE BIBLE, and TRY the SPIRITS if they are of GOD!

Peace!

hmmmmmm just like the 7books of RC, right?.. nya kad2ng 7 books naapil nay naa man lagi prophesy nga naay muabot messiah did2 ug ang mahitabo b4 ug during sa time sa messiah.. so why do you think why wala na sa inyo bible bro?..

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

hmmmmm murag mao mani ang gibuhat sa RC bro mao naapil ang 7books ila gistudiohan ug au.. kamo bro wala d i ninyo mabasa nga connected ra cla sa other chapters sa old testament?..

kamo bro wala kadawat sa reproofing ug correction as well as change change.. remember that God did not handed the bible from heaven, the bible was compiled by men.. ang pangutana kinsa nga mga taohana?..

[dartzed]

sister, paila lang gyud ka nga dili ka mutuo sa bible.
ka klaro ana nga ingon sa bible, nya imo pa gyud butangan og "KUNO".
paila lang gyud nga dili ka sure.

basa balik:
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
Job 12:10

nya imo gileral og sabot nga kamot, sister sa bible pasabot sa kamot sa Ginoo kay naa sa iyang gahum or pagdumala.
Spirit baya ang Ginoo.

Peace!

hahays niana bako wala ko mutuo sad?.. sakto btaw ka naa sa kamot sa ginuo, pero ako pangutana is unsaon man pagwala gani sa ila sala nga pwede pa mawagtang?.. kay kbaw bya ta walay naay sala nga makasulod sa langit ai kog ingna makasulod lang na cla tanan nga deli muagi ug process nga cleansing?..

kasabot kas KUNO nako dha?..

[pinky09]

d man na tinood ang purgatoryo oie..pangkwarta rana sa mga pari ky kada misa bayad ka..para daw maluwas ang kalag...ang pangutana dha og tinood bang naluwas ang kalag??hahaha