RELIGION

[mannyamador]

Traditions as taught by them the apostles and the NT writers, traditions that don't contradict the Scriptures. NOT the ones taught by the apostates who were supposedly prominent theologians.

That's YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION again. How do you know that these theologians really contradict the Scriptures? More likely, they only contradict your personal (and error-prone) interpretation of the Scriptures.

In fact, since you seem to think that everything we should believe as Chrsitians is to be found in the Scriptures, and that it is the final rule of faith, then I challenge you to show me even ONE VERSE that EXPLICITLY and UNEQUIVIOCALLY states that the Bible alone is the source of Christian truth (or the "rule of faith", as Martin Luther put it).

You can't can you? I thought so.

Per se he wasn't saying "faith and works" but he was saying that you aren't faithful at all if you don't have any deeds to back you up.

Now you're twisting things to suit your PERSONAL interpeetation again. That's NOT what it says. It says quite clearly that you need both faith AND works:

"Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?"

There's nothing there about the lack of works being the equivalent of not being faithful.

Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my
faith to you from my works.

It's pretty clear there that works demonstrates that one has faith. But there's nothing that says what you claim it says. Your personal interpretation is just YOUR own, and it is very far from being infallible.

So, let's see how you can prove your perosnal interpretations are infallible.

Again, you CAN'T.

[mannyamador]

We are saved by faith and not by works (Eph. 2: 9, Rom. 3: 28 ) but we are saved to do good works that God in advance has prepared for us to do (Eph. 2: 10 )

That's NOT what it says in the documents. You're contradicting yourself again.

Please read again James 2:14-26. It says faith without works is dead. There is NO SALVATION without good works. Good works aren't just an afterthought that we are moved to perform because of faith. It is REQUIRED. But then as usual, you conveniently gloss over what it says in James 2:14-26.

[slyder]

this is not a good subject to tackle at all!

[mannyamador]

Any yahoo can make a claim, but not everyone can prove their claims.

I've been waiting for even a shred of proof from MrBiddle to support his insane claim that Tyndale's translation was the first Bible (or New Testament, or whatever) to emerge from Gutenberg's printing press, but so far all we've seen is obstinate insistence but no proof whatsoever. No wonder this discussion is going nowhere. He makes unfounded claims and pretends they have been proven. I think we can see through that.

So I challenge you, MrBidldle. Kindly explain to us how Tyndale's translation became the first Bible printed by Gutenberg when it was printed nearly 69 years after the printing of the Latin Bible (by Gutenberg).

I can't wait to see the fantasies that you will put forward.

[trickyboy]

Is this about RELIGION ... or are we shifting the topic on THE BIBLE?

[MrBiddle]

I've been waiting for even a shred of proof from MrBiddle to support his insane claim that Tyndale's translation was the first Bible (or New Testament, or whatever) to emerge from Gutenberg's printing press, but so far all we've seen is obstinate insistence but no proof whatsoever. No wonder this discussion is going nowhere. He makes unfounded claims and pretends they have been proven. I think we can see through that.

So I challenge you, MrBidldle. Kindly explain to us how Tyndale's translation became the first Bible printed by Gutenberg when it was printed nearly 69 years after the printing of the Latin Bible (by Gutenberg).

Because it's the truth.... mao lang gihapon NOT only this is history you deny, you also deny that Canon was already confident and decisive from 170 AD - 220 in the early churches and you also deny that the primacy of Rome didn't exist until the 3rd century... yes the church was catholic hence the creed not Roman Catholic, the great harlot.

Sakto bitaw ang giingon ni James! Are you telling me James and Paul contradict each other??
Paul says we are saved by faith and not by works, so that no one can boast but to do good works because we are God's workmanship (Eph. 2: 8 - 10 ) but James also says how can you say you have faith if you don't have any deeds to back you up? (James 2: 22 )

But even before the primacy of Rome existed the Antichrist made it's first appearance in France, then called Gaul at the time in 47 A.D.
it has then been the puppet master of the Roman clergy's presbyters and bishops, more HERE

[Obese Bo Ricardo]

Can the RCC claim Magisterium and exclusive authority to interpret the Scriptures?

Rev. 19: 11 - 13
1 Cor. 2: 11
Job 32: 8 (See also Gal. 3: 14 )

Are the Scriptures all sufficient and complete?

Isaiah 34: 16

Can the Scriptures give understanding to just about anyone willing to seek the Lord?

Ps. 119: 130
1 Jn 2: 27

Who will never experience death?

Jn 8: 51

Are the traditions of the RCC the same as taught by the Apostles?

Gal. 1: 8 .... and you can leave it to the Bereans (Acts 17: 11,Â* Is. 8: 20 NIV )

Who is the Chief Cornerstone and Foundation Rock of the church?

1 Cor. 3: 11
1 Cor. 10: 4
Eph. 2: 20
1 Pet. 2: 2 - 9
Deut. 32: 4 (NAB)

Who is holding the foundation of the universal church secure?

Eph. 2: 20
Ezekiel 37: 19

Are we made one and consecrated in truth by believing in Christ through the Roman Catholic church?

Jn 17: 17 - 20

Can the Pharaoh claim that he formed the Nile?

- Ezekiel 29: 13

Is the church the pillar and foundation of truth?

1 Tim. 3: 15, Eph. 3: 10

What is Truth?

Jn 17: 17
Jn 14: 6

Where can Truth be found?

Jn 17: 20
Ps. 119: 160 (KJV)

But since are all the Jesuses today the same Jesus as the One being preached in the Gospel?

Matt. 24: 24 - 29
2 Cor. 11: 3 - 4

[pnoize]

hmm...this thread seems to be going nowhere.

[Von!-x]

As I said in my posts not too long ago, religious debates would lead to nowhere but will often destroy the listeners (readers)

Let's just say that we have irreconciliable differences when it comes to religion!

[MrBiddle]

I recommend Evangelicals to use NAB: New Catholic Translation or the Christian Community Bible: New Catholic Translation instead of KJV or NIV as you can even use what is written in the Deuterocanonicals (Judith 13: 18 ) para masunog ang mga RCC sa ilang kaugalingong mantika....

indeed Mary was blessed among women, but according to that in Judith was Mary exclusively the only woman blessed among all?

And even if RC priests take you to that sacrifice for the dead in Macabees, you can take them to Paul's epistle to the Hebrew people to prove that the ultimate sacrifice for sin is complete.