Tinuod ba may porgatoryo?

[rcruman]

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@rcruman

kung wala pa nag compile ug bible ang church, asa man mo kuha sa inyong pagtuo?

sa GINOO gipahon, salig man mi sa GINOO, GOD will provide.
dili ra kamo ang tao sa kalibutan, daghan puede gamiton sa GINOO nga mocompile sa bible. Kamo pa gani ang nagcompile pero ang inyo gibuhat naghimo mo og Cathecism og tradition.
Kamo lagi ang nagcompile pero inyo teaching wala sa bible, how IRONIC!

Peace!

[rcruman]

i should expect that you should have pulled out your eyes or cut down your hands whenever you commit sin? if you don't believe that there are other sources of faith then fine .. stick it to it if that would be good for you and act now for your own salvation for it would be a matter of heaven or hell for you when you shall be taken away.

then all I can say is that you've expected something from me that is wrong.
That verses that states pulling of eyes and cutting hands is spiritual in meaning.

If purgatory does not exist, why then should Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary be wasting time to let those saints to see and feel what's going on with that place? Even if we are given absolution of our sins after confession, we still have the obligation to pay the consequences thereof that's why some forgiven souls are put in purgatory and to lessen their stay there, we are to offer them prayers.

can you please site a verse from the bible about this statement of yours?
where in the bible that a prayer can cleanse a sins for a particular person?

Peace!

[Psalter Spectre]

ahm. please enlighten a former catholic bout this.. do we really need for someone for intercession? why not go to christ directly..

kanang title nga HOLY mother of THE CHRIST, i find that disturbing.. im sure pati si mary dili gusto ana nga title, she may have preffered the title mother of jesus.. buy giving HOLY MOTHER seems like giving her a very high status almost above christ himself.. dba the elder is always higher? so where na si joseph?


about purgatory.. i really dont see it sa bible.. not good enough for heaven and not bad enough for hell.. quite contradicts the teaching of Christ.. "i am the way the truth and the life, he who believes in me will not perish but have everlasting life" everlasting life = heaven, perish = hell.. aha man dha nabutang purgatory?

why must things be so complicated... id rather stick to christ rather than the saints..

you really don't need but you can always ask for it .. it is not something required sir but something that might help ... the saints are great witnesses of God's love and might. There are times when you shall feel alone in this world or a times that you might feel that you've totally have gone away.
You can always ask them to pray for you so as the souls in purgatory.

if Mary is not Holy how should be her Son be holy too? ... I guess all Christian religions accept that Christ is also human except sin and he has no tendency of it so as her mother most humble; thus, the one of the doctrines of the Church: The Immaculate Conception. You will find it hard to understand or accept since you don't believe in Christian tradition.

Warnings from the Beyond

You can find in the above article about an exorcism, how powerful is Mary and how she draws everyone to Christ and how she intercedes for us. It's is quite lengthy ... it took me hours to read but you shall come to know the great humility she has.

As I've said if you don't believe in purgatory then you can stick to it for at the time when death shall come, it should be a matter of heaven or hell for you and I pray that when that time comes you shall have been prepared and had paid the effects of your sins.

To the Catholics, I encourage you all to read the above article. It's lengthy but you shall learn many things.

[Psalter Spectre]

then all I can say is that you've expected something from me that is wrong.
That verses that states pulling of eyes and cutting hands is spiritual in meaning.

can you please site a verse from the bible about this statement of yours?
where in the bible that a prayer can cleanse a sins for a particular person?

Peace!

well you admitted .. it has spiritual meaning so as the other verses in the bible .. do not throw verses if you don't have deep understanding of them ... Thomas Kempis said in his book "The Imitation of Christ", that when reading the bible seek not for eloquence!

it seems to me that all for you is in the bible ... have you asked yourself why you came into existence? you name is not in the bible

[ace_ndahouse]

then all I can say is that you've expected something from me that is wrong.
That verses that states pulling of eyes and cutting hands is spiritual in meaning.




can you please site a verse from the bible about this statement of yours?
where in the bible that a prayer can cleanse a sins for a particular person?

Peace!

i totally agree with this one... i think there aint some verse in the bible thats state the thing called praying forgiving.. and if we go to heaven (if there is one) isnt in overpopulated there?

I think the one can answer this will be the first one that came from heaven then come back to his/her own body and mind...

[dartzed]

again basaha ang Revelation, ang nakabutang kay:
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:12

kasabot ka sa "and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."?

according to their works dili according sa pag-ampo sa kalag nga naa sa purgatoryo.
see unsay kalainan sa bible og cathecism?


SISTER FYI lang, sa bible kay duha ka judgment, ang unang muagi sa judgment og mabuhi kay:

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Corinthians 15:50-54

og ang ikaduha nga judgment kay mao ang final judgment.



Paila lang gyud ka sa pagkaignorante sa bible, ang paglimpyo sa sala kay kini:

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 22:16

nya kung limpyo naka kay humanag bunyag kay ang imo buhaton kay likayan nimo nga dili naka makasala, kung makasala kay mangayog pasaylo sa Ginoo (basta dili sala nga ikamatay).

og ang pinakanindot kay:

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 8:10-12

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Romans 4:7-8

og aron dili ta makasala kay kini ato buhaton:
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Psalms 119:11

og mao kini ang pahinumdum sa bible:
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2 Corinthians 13:5

Peace!

cge raman ta tuyok2 oi.. gitubag na btaw ka naa rana nimo kung d ka kadawat..hehe

cge bro bryt nka wala nay makalupig sa imo pagka bryt.. no comment..hehehe

[Hinara]

From the bible and the church scholars.

>>> I am someone here who loves reading the Bible; someone who wants to learn more, so kindly help me by quoting verses and reliable articles perhaps so to correct myself. Thanks! GOD BLESS! AND LET'S KEEP BRUSHING UP THE BIBLE!

[necrotic freak]

sa GINOO gipahon, salig man mi sa GINOO, GOD will provide.
dili ra kamo ang tao sa kalibutan, daghan puede gamiton sa GINOO nga mocompile sa bible. Kamo pa gani ang nagcompile pero ang inyo gibuhat naghimo mo og Cathecism og tradition.
Kamo lagi ang nagcompile pero inyo teaching wala sa bible, how IRONIC!

Peace!

mas una pa ang Holy Apostolic Tradition kaysa pagcompile sa Bible rcruman..

[necrotic freak]

>>> I am someone here who loves reading the Bible; someone who wants to learn more, so kindly help me by quoting verses and reliable articles perhaps so to correct myself. Thanks! GOD BLESS! AND LET'S KEEP BRUSHING UP THE BIBLE!

hala mam dili man ko maayo sa bible si rcruman ay.

[sakulati]

This is a very sensitive discussion. I guess I'll give you guys my answer when I go to the other side. (joke). Seriously, to all christians out there, whether Roman Catholic, Protestant or Whatever it is, Your foundations lay in the bible because its a book of revelation - a book for Christians. So just read the bible everyday and I believe you'll find the answer to the question of the thread or topic starter os TS or whatever you call whoever started this, ok?