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  1. #621

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    Quote Originally Posted by butitoy View Post
    see yourself being as Jesus.with p3ni$ in the forehead..

    wud feel :

    delighted?

    amused?

    aroused?

    excited?

    angry?

    mad?

    indifferent?
    If I were Jesus I would definitely feel amused. Why? Well for starter they-the people- tried to picture him as white male with lean body almost on the thin side and soft expression and features.

    He was a carpenter's son and did his share of the family business adn like his father also worked as a carpenter which will probably make him to have well formed body and well defined muscles, due to carrying of loads of wood.

    HE would be probably darker than the usual picture of himseld, he lived among the masses. There is no time for leisure so to speak or to stay indoor either. So he spent most of his time outside home in the searing heat in the fields.

    He would probably be not so harmless looking, the Israeli thought that he would lead the rebellion. I dont think they would trust a good looking baby faced person to do the job. You have to have at least that look of the- an ALPHA MALE.

    If I were Jesus I would definitely be amused.

  2. #622

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    Quote Originally Posted by ketllac View Post
    Ang argument sa mga artist ani kay freedom of expression basi sa balaod. ang ang argument pud sa simbahan ani kay respect of religion basi sa balaod. kung imo i clash ang duha ka rights den maka conclude ta ang duha naay limitasyon. Now ang limitasyon ani na define sa base sa panan aw sa art sa simbahan nga naka offend sa doctrina sa Kristyanismo. KUng naka offend man then simply an offense..dili ang modefine ang artist ani nga dili offense kun dili ang simbahan.. nganong i explain pa man taman? .ana ra kasayon..
    Kay kung atong pangutan-on ang simbahan murag tanan maka offend man nila. PMS, PDA, Homosexuality, RH Bill. Besides unsa man diay ang Simbahan? Ang mga kardinal ug pari? Or ang mga katoliko? The problem with this is that even among the Catholics naa gihapon debate kung na offend sila or dili.

  3. #623

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faeries View Post
    If I were Jesus I would definitely feel amused. Why? Well for starter they-the people- tried to picture him as white male with lean body almost on the thin side and soft expression and features.

    He was a carpenter's son and did his share of the family business adn like his father also worked as a carpenter which will probably make him to have well formed body and well defined muscles, due to carrying of loads of wood.

    HE would be probably darker than the usual picture of himseld, he lived among the masses. There is no time for leisure so to speak or to stay indoor either. So he spent most of his time outside home in the searing heat in the fields.

    He would probably be not so harmless looking, the Israeli thought that he would lead the rebellion. I dont think they would trust a good looking baby faced person to do the job. You have to have at least that look of the- an ALPHA MALE.

    If I were Jesus I would definitely be amused.
    Exactly! What these people who are getting so offended should do is admit that it isn't that they think that Jesus is the one getting offended by this. It is their inflated ego that's getting hit!

    "How dare this man put a repulsive ***** on the image of a person I have been conditioned since childhood to think of as God made man!"

    "How dare this man expose to ridicule the image of a person who I have chosen to be the one who will take responsibility over my actions, my salvation and my life!"

    A lot of these people are probably thinking:

    "He must not be allowed to insult this image! I have based all my life decisions on my belief that that image is holy! Whenever I commit a sin, I don't have to worry because I believe that that image is holy and it can take away my sins! I don't even have to think very hard for myself and have my own independent moral compass because of that image! I can just trust that to the priests who have told me since I was a kid that I was saved because I was of the same religion as they - which is the religion of the man in that picture!"

    In short: "OMG! Don't let him insult that image! It's challenging my close-mindedness and trying to make me think for myself!!!!"


    disclaimer: artistically, i think the work is amateurish crap no better than what any adolescent is capable of, given that they haven't gone through too much religious conditioning. the impact, however is undeniable and the overblown reactions to it is hysterical

  4. #624

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    In U.S. they value the right to Free Speech so they allow for the disrespectful destruction of highly esteemed symbols of faith and nation. That isn't the case in all countries.

    In Philippines, you disrespect the any symbols of faith and nation. A BIG BIG CRIME.


  5. #625

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    Quote Originally Posted by SELF PRESERVATION View Post
    Bai, mo double post lang ko ha...


    On Dicks and Double Standards: Misplaced Reactions to Misplaced Phalluses

    Posted on 30 August 2011 by Red Tani. Tags: CCP, Christianity, Freedom of expression, hypocrisy, Mideo Cruz, Roman Catholic Church, separation of church and state, theocracy
    An artist puts a ***** on a poster of Jesus and on a symbol of the Christian cross. A priest puts a ***** inside the mouth and vagina of a 17-year-old girl. Which is more offensive? Which is more deserving of a Christian’s disgust and damnation?
    When conservative Catholics learned of Mideo Cruz’s juxtaposition of Jesuses and phalluses in an art gallery in the Cultural Center of the Philippines, they were furious. They wanted heads to roll — at least Mideo’s — and heads to resign — whoever was in charge of displaying Mideo’s blasphemy.
    They wrote and sent hate mail, hate text, and even death threats, harassing anyone who had the slightest thing to do with Mideo’s sacrilege. They created Facebook groups and pages to express their hate for Mideo and to get others to hate him just as much. They condemned artist and artwork, saying these were not artist and artwork, even lecturing experts on what it means to be both. They vandalized Mideo’s “artwork” and called the violence justified. They called for a Senate investigation and even a national Day of Penance, showing how the entire country should be angry at and sorry for what Mideo did to their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
    But Mideo never really hurt anyone — Jesus least of all — with his work. The degree of hurt brought about by offense is debatable, but one thing is clear: he did not hurt anyone physically.
    Compare that to what was done to a girl who was hurt so badly she now has to hide behind a fake name. “Leah” filed charges of rape, acts of lasciviousness, and child abuse against Fr. Raul Cabonce of St. Anne Parish in Tubay, Agusan del Norte.
    If we’re to believe Leah, Fr. Cabonce forcefully molested her on several occasions, groping her private parts despite her protestations. Fr. Cabonce forced Leah to perform oral *** at least twice. He did this so violently that he made her gums bleed. The sexual harassment and assault eventually escalated to rape.
    Talking about an experience like this would be difficult for anybody, but Fr. Cabonce made sure it would be torture for Leah. He threatened to curse Leah and her family if she told anyone. He also made sure Leah saw the guns in his room whenever he sexually assaulted her. Spiritual and physical blackmail.
    For what he’s allegedly done, all that Fr. Cabonce got was a transfer to a different diocese, far away from his former servant and sexual object, safe and comfy in a Bishop’s palace.
    How did conservative Catholics react to the news of Fr. Cabonce and Leah? What was the reaction of those who so furiously condemned Mideo and the CCP board? Did they send hate mail and death threats? Did they create Facebook groups and pages? Did they doubt Fr. Cabonce’s priesthood or question the authority of those who decided he could be one? Did they ask anyone to resign? Did they commit violence and call it justified? Did they call for a Senate investigation, Day of Penance, or even a public apology?
    Mideo Cruz put phallic symbols on a symbol of Jesus and a symbol of his cross. None of the symbols refused. None of the symbols got hurt. Fr. Cabonce forced his actual ***** into a living 17-year-old girl’s actual mouth. He eventually forced his actual ***** into her actual vagina. In both instances, the girl refused. In both instances, the girl got hurt.
    Which is more offensive? Which is more deserving of a Christian’s disgust and damnation?
    image by frisno


    a very good point.... this is the reason why i dont go to church .... haha but still i pray... doesnt make me a bad person too and it doesnt mean i will stop believing in god.. it is his act of malice priest speak of being good and be nice to everyone and they cant even be nice so i didnt liked the way they run things so i stopped going to church and pray not everyday but still i pray.. but what mideo did is too much i guess and yes i didnt liked the art.. but still the meaning is there and now i knew why those priest are offended but just on what they see but also to the meaning..mideo is right all along but the material he used is to much to a typical filipino to handle.....

  6. #626

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    and some people claim they know better because they understand Mideo's art... It's good to know that Mideo is not alone. Naa na sya followers. LOL

  7. #627

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    Quote Originally Posted by al1974 View Post
    and some people claim they know better because they understand Mideo's art... It's good to know that Mideo is not alone. Naa na sya followers. LOL
    i dont think any individual can say that he/she do understand better because she undertsand the meaning of the art as what the artist is trying to convey...

    i think you are just trying to imply that people who find nothing offensive about the art are just "intellectual-snobs" and arrogant... i beg to disagree to limit the meaning the art as a mere form of disrespect is in itself shows arrogance...

    for those who dont have anything common with the artist they are free to interpret the art... in anyway they want but that does not mean that is the ONLY meaning nor its the TRUE meaning...

    ART is RELATIVE.. it has been from time immemorial and it will ALWAYS be RELATIVE... JUst as Beauty is RELATIVE...

    beside nobody has monopoly in interpreting art...

  8. #628

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvie View Post
    In U.S. they value the right to Free Speech so they allow for the disrespectful destruction of highly esteemed symbols of faith and nation. That isn't the case in all countries.

    In Philippines, you disrespect the any symbols of faith and nation. A BIG BIG CRIME.

    How about the Anti-Semitism/Anti-Semitic/Anti-Jew in the US and in European countries where you are not allowed to say anything against the Jews/Jewry?

  9. #629

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    Quote Originally Posted by JcBoY View Post
    How about the Anti-Semitism/Anti-Semitic/Anti-Jew in the US and in European countries where you are not allowed to say anything against the Jews/Jewry?
    uh, what? that does not make any sense at all.

  10. #630

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerdurden View Post
    uh, what? that does not make any sense at all.
    Hmmmm, I am just reacting to Harvie's post about a FREE SPEECH in the USA which I don't believe really existed considering this very popular "ANTI-SEMITISM suppression" & "ADL- Anti-Defamation League movement", read it right through here.

    Anti-Defamation League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Antisemitism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And recently this one, in the land of the FREE and DOUBLE STANDARD WESTERN WORLD....

    Court convicts Galliano in anti-Semitism case - Yahoo! News

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