Are you supporting federalism, what can you say about BBL?

[wifi]

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House Bill 4994 is junk. There's a big difference between the two scenarios. For BBL, it's running an autonomy within a unitary and centralized presidential system apparently will not work since the Centralized system still limit that autonomy.

Reading and analyzing these 2 statements multiple times i conclude that the man has no sound understanding. What I said is that once the whole country is under federalism, the autonomus region will also become a fderal state and this BBL(federal state) will govern the region. This is not about MILF ruling the BBL. It is well stated in the house bill that any person regardless of religion, political party, tribes, can run in the democratic elections just like the ARMM before. Any political organization like MNLF, Abu Sayaf, or BIFF were not forbidden to run in the BBL. Proof that the MNLF is not absolute ruler of ARMM was Misuaris defeat in succeeding elections. Same will happen in the BBL. The MILF is only the primary party for the creation of BBL just like MIsuari for ARMM, but MILF and MNLF are no absolute rulers of the autonomous regions. The central government will always have a say if theres any violation of the the law in the BBL and may take over the government if any group will impose dictatorship in the system.. That is why i say, pls read the BBL provisions.

[yhokz101]

The Bangsamoro Basic Law is unconstitutional for two principal reasons.

- First, the Transition Commission which drafted it is void because President Aquino III has no power to create a public office.

- Second, allowing the Bangsamoro Government to keep 75% of the taxes in the autonomous region, to get the lion’s share of revenues from natural resources in the region, and to get 50% of the revenues from fossil fuel exploitation there, inevitably reduces the corresponding shares of the Philippine provinces, municipalities and cities which are not included within the Bangsamoro region.



not to mention these: Article III, section 29.(2) of the 1987 constitution specifically states: “No public money or property shall be appropriated, applied, paid, or employed, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, sectarian institution, or system of religion”. But the budget for the BBL is not because solely for the: Article III, section 29.(2) (No public money for church, religion, etc.) but because of Art. 10 (Local Government) on the territorial and political subdivisions of the country.. which is contradicting. We either change the BBL or dam change our constitution.. and which is more flexible between these two?

[bleedingboi]

Reading and analyzing these 2 statements multiple times i conclude that the man has no sound understanding. What I said is that once the whole country is under federalism, the autonomus region will also become a fderal state and this BBL(federal state) will govern the region. This is not about MILF ruling the BBL. It is well stated in the house bill that any person regardless of religion, political party, tribes, can run in the democratic elections just like the ARMM before. Any political organization like MNLF, Abu Sayaf, or BIFF were not forbidden to run in the BBL. Proof that the MNLF is not absolute ruler of ARMM was Misuaris defeat in succeeding elections. Same will happen in the BBL. The MILF is only the primary party for the creation of BBL just like MIsuari for ARMM, but MILF and MNLF are no absolute rulers of the autonomous regions. The central government will always have a say if theres any violation of the the law in the BBL and may take over the government if any group will impose dictatorship in the system.. That is why i say, pls read the BBL provisions.

YOU ARE NOT GETTING MY POINT. I understand that BBL is another form of federalization. I'm no 6th grader. I was only replicating the differences between the two scenarios. BBL is a great plan. I love the idea, and I don't have a problem with it. But what's bugging and depressing about it is the involvement of the MILF.

If we go back to page one of this whole issue, and this has been the same questions that the senators and the US government has been asking multiple times, even Iqbal cannot answer straightly. WHY ARE THEY PROTECTING A WANTED TERRORIST? WHY ARE THEY LYING IN THE HEARINGS?

[bleedingboi]

Any political organization like MNLF, Abu Sayaf, or BIFF were not forbidden to run in the BBL. Proof that the MNLF is not absolute ruler of ARMM was Misuaris defeat in succeeding elections. Same will happen in the BBL. The MILF is only the primary party for the creation of BBL just like MIsuari for ARMM, but MILF and MNLF are no absolute rulers of the autonomous regions.

Negotiating with an extremist like the MILF is like putting your hand in a Crocodile's mouth while at the same time asking it not to bite. Do you think it will adhere?

Do you think the MILF will adhere to these rules? No.

[wifi]

BBL is a great plan. I love the idea, and I don't have a problem with it. But what's bugging and depressing about it is the involvement of the MILF.

Bravo...Thank you for acknowledging that BBL is great plan and you dont have problem with it. How I wish to hear others here acknowledging the same..

Next you are depressed that MILF is involved. I must tell you that you must rejoice that MILF is involved because this the only way their rebellion will be ended. The more that you will be happy if the Abu Sayaf and BIFF will also join because that would be the end of all moro rebellion.

Do I have to reiterate again and again that MILF or the MNLF are only a party for the creation of BBL and ARMM but they are not the owner or absolute rulers of the autonomous regions? The central government will always have a say whenever one of these groups violate democracies in this government because they are only substate not an independent state. They are still under our supreme court who will appoint their high court judges and their lawyer wannabes would still pass the bar exam administered by the supreme court. Their Bangsa moro police would stil be under the National PNP and their national security is still under the protection of the AFP.

f we go back to page one of this whole issue, and this has been the same questions that the senators and the US government has been asking multiple times, even Iqbal cannot answer straightly. WHY ARE THEY PROTECTING A WANTED TERRORIST? WHY ARE THEY LYING IN THE HEARINGS?

Iqbal said the MILF will remain a revolutionary group until BBL is fully implemented. In any peace negotiation between the government and rebels, the rebels is always " DEHADO" and the government is "lyamado", or in the position of strength. As I said before, kun mag tinonto ang MILF sa peace agreement ug dili sila mutuman sa kasabutan, anytime puede sa gobyerno e repel ang BBL ug e take over ang ilang gobyerno kay part pa man gihapon na sila sa nasud. Pero kun ang gobyerno mag tinonto ug dili motuman sa provisions sa BBL luoy kaayo ang mga rebels kay wala man gyud na silay dag anan sa ato, balik gyud sila sa bukid dala armas.. Kanang pag kopkop nila kay Marwan, defensive strategy kana in case naay breakdown sa peace agreement ug all out war na unya ang mahitabo. Kinsa mang buanga nga Igbal nga musugot lang gihapon na bombahan ni Marwan ang Autonomous region human unya na maimplement ang BBL. Kinsa man puy leaders unya sa parliament na musogot na si Marwan mag terrorize lang gihapon sa ila region human mahatag na sa ilang gusto. Di pa lang unya sila tagaan anang 70 billion na budget para sa ila, kaubo jud sla...Dapat ibutang nimo imong kaugalingon sa ilang lugar aron masabtan nimo sila. Unsa gani makatabang sa ilang cause dapig gyud sila pero kun dili na, undangon na npud nila ang pag kupkup ni Marwan. Mopatay man gani na sila bisag kadugo nila si Marwan pa kaha nga nga dili nia kaya panitan kun morebelde sa ila.

[crossramz]

Wow ka nindot jud diay sa FEderalismo.. Sana matuloy na ang BBL para kita pud sa ubang lugar matagaan sa ani na budget ug pribelihiyo

bro if madaun na cya ang provisions sa BBL it means wala na kaayoy fund mahatag sa ubang provinces.. Im not against BBL but the provisions inside it is too much to handle.. Like I said on my earlier posts, if gov't want to test federalism, it should begin in a more stable region.. What the current admin trying to dovis hitting two birds with 1 stone. End the conflict in maguindanao and implementbfederalism on that certain area.

[bleedingboi]

Bravo...Thank you for acknowledging that BBL is great plan and you dont have problem with it. How I wish to hear others here acknowledging the same..

Next you are depressed that MILF is involved. I must tell you that you must rejoice that MILF is involved because this the only way their rebellion will be ended. The more that you will be happy if the Abu Sayaf and BIFF will also join because that would be the end of all moro rebellion.

Do I have to reiterate again and again that MILF or the MNLF are only a party for the creation of BBL and ARMM but they are not the owner or absolute rulers of the autonomous regions? The central government will always have a say whenever one of these groups violate democracies in this government because they are only substate not an independent state. They are still under our supreme court who will appoint their high court judges and their lawyer wannabes would still pass the bar exam administered by the supreme court. Their Bangsa moro police would stil be under the National PNP and their national security is still under the protection of the AFP.




Iqbal said the MILF will remain a revolutionary group until BBL is fully implemented. In any peace negotiation between the government and rebels, the rebels is always " DEHADO" and the government is "lyamado", or in the position of strength. As I said before, kun mag tinonto ang MILF sa peace agreement ug dili sila mutuman sa kasabutan, anytime puede sa gobyerno e repel ang BBL ug e take over ang ilang gobyerno kay part pa man gihapon na sila sa nasud. Pero kun ang gobyerno mag tinonto ug dili motuman sa provisions sa BBL luoy kaayo ang mga rebels kay wala man gyud na silay dag anan sa ato, balik gyud sila sa bukid dala armas.. Kanang pag kopkop nila kay Marwan, defensive strategy kana in case naay breakdown sa peace agreement ug all out war na unya ang mahitabo. Kinsa mang buanga nga Igbal nga musugot lang gihapon na bombahan ni Marwan ang Autonomous region human unya na maimplement ang BBL. Kinsa man puy leaders unya sa parliament na musogot na si Marwan mag terrorize lang gihapon sa ila region human mahatag na sa ilang gusto. Di pa lang unya sila tagaan anang 70 billion na budget para sa ila, kaubo jud sla...Dapat ibutang nimo imong kaugalingon sa ilang lugar aron masabtan nimo sila. Unsa gani makatabang sa ilang cause dapig gyud sila pero kun dili na, undangon na npud nila ang pag kupkup ni Marwan. Mopatay man gani na sila bisag kadugo nila si Marwan pa kaha nga nga dili nia kaya panitan kun morebelde sa ila.

The idea of peace is good but we will not acknowledge any agreement like the BBL or any framework (FAB/CAB) until the weeds are pulled. If all the mess are gone, then we can plant the crops.

[wifi]

bro if madaun na cya ang provisions sa BBL it means wala na kaayoy fund mahatag sa ubang provinces.. Im not against BBL but the provisions inside it is too much to handle.. Like I said on my earlier posts, if gov't want to test federalism, it should begin in a more stable region.. What the current admin trying to dovis hitting two birds with 1 stone. End the conflict in maguindanao and implementbfederalism on that certain area.

Kun naguol ka sa 70 billion kay dako ra kaayo, One time raman na ihatag na amount kay dako baya kaayo ang transformation sa Autonomus region after kani ma implement. Decentralized na baya, halos mga national agencies naa na baya sa ila plus new parliament pa. Mag tukod baya ug kaugalingon GOCCs, commission on audit daghan pang iba. 10 billion na man lang dayon ang annual appropriation para sa ila after that. Ayaw kaguol kun nagsugod n cya sa pobre na region like ARMM kay mao ni gipangayo sa MILF in exchange of peace. Kun mo succeed o dili, dili na cla maka blame sa gobyerno kay gihatag naman ila ang gusto. Dapat kita mga Kristiano malipay ug maglaum nga moasenso na ang autonomus region dili kay masina na hinuon ta sa ila nga gitagaan ug special treatment sa gobyerno kay kalinaw man kaha ato pangandoy. Kun mo succeed ang BBL ug molambo cla, kana maoy pultahan nga tibuok nasud na unya mahimong federal.

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[wifi]

Compared to the cost of war, 3 weeks ra daw nang 70 billion mahurot bro. palit armas, bala, ug bomba.

[yhokz101]

Kun naguol ka sa 70 billion kay dako ra kaayo, One time raman na ihatag na amount kay dako baya kaayo ang transformation sa Autonomus region after kani ma implement. Decentralized na baya, halos mga national agencies naa na baya sa ila plus new parliament pa. Mag tukod baya ug kaugalingon GOCCs, commission on audit daghan pang iba. 10 billion na man lang dayon ang annual appropriation para sa ila after that. Ayaw kaguol kun nagsugod n cya sa pobre na region like ARMM kay mao ni gipangayo sa MILF in exchange of peace. Kun mo succeed o dili, dili na cla maka blame sa gobyerno kay gihatag naman ila ang gusto. Dapat kita mga Kristiano malipay ug maglaum nga moasenso na ang autonomus region dili kay masina na hinuon ta sa ila nga gitagaan ug special treatment sa gobyerno kay kalinaw man kaha ato pangandoy. Kun mo succeed ang BBL ug molambo cla, kana maoy pultahan nga tibuok nasud na unya mahimong federal.

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Aside sa allocation na arang dakoa, please refer to this:

allowing the Bangsamoro Government to keep 75% of the taxes in the autonomous region, to get the lion’s share of revenues from natural resources in the region, and to get 50% of the revenues from fossil fuel exploitation there, inevitably reduces the corresponding shares of the Philippine provinces, municipalities and cities which are not included within the Bangsamoro region.