K to 12 suspension sought amid school woes authored by Sen. Antonio “Sonny’’ F. Trillanes IV

[pak88]

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That sound nice in theory. But I expect that to be as effective as the proliferation of the vehicle emission testing centers, has well intentions but doomed to fail due to chronic underfunding and lack of any real focus in the public school education in the country.

I don't understand why you can say that our college graduate are considered high school graduates in other countries when my sister works as a Physical Therapist in the US and I work on software for a U.S. company for the past decade. Millions of our countrymen work in high paying jobs abroad even though we are a product of an outdated educational system. Personally, I would rather go to college and choose what I want to learn rather than spend two years on some TESDA like courses that I may not want and need.

We were the only country left aside from Mongolia to have only 10 years of basic education in Asia. If you have not noticed, circa 2005 there were a lot of agencies that offer "studying while earning opportunities" abroad. In other countries our college graduates are considered high school graduates, our masters graduate as college graduates, our PhD graduates as masters graduates. The K-12 allows us to be at par with other countries so our migrating countrymen can work directly.

While the quality of education is still a problem that needs to be addressed right away, the K-12 curriculum is one of the solutions. Students can't sleepwalk through Senior High since majority of the program entails skills work.

Moreover, after Senior High, the graduates are at par with TESDA graduates. Hence, they can work in trade industries. Currently, it is faster to go abroad via the TESDA route than finishing a 4-year degree. Some are even earning more than our doctors. Addressing the problem of graduate compatibility to local industries is equally important than the quality of education.

In closing, I urge everyone to read more intensively about the topic before posting a comment. Read the whole thread, since there are pertinent information about the topic that has been discussed already.

[NudgeDELTA]

That sound nice in theory. But I expect that to be as effective as the proliferation of the vehicle emission testing centers, has well intentions but doomed to fail due to chronic underfunding and lack of any real focus in the public school education in the country.

Theory is the basis of practice. Statistics will not lie. The K-12 program is a product of several extensive studies here and abroad by specialists. There is no question we need a curriculum, the question is the management and propagation herein after.

I don't understand why you can say that our college graduate are considered high school graduates in other countries when my sister works as a Physical Therapist in the US and I work on software for a U.S. company for the past decade. Millions of our countrymen work in high paying jobs abroad even though we are a product of an outdated educational system.

There are exceptions to the rule. One which is not applicable to everyone. Some professions can be practiced abroad without the burden of equivalency if there is reciprocity in the field. In the past there were a lot of opportunities for migrants to work abroad. But why do we hear of nurses working as caregivers? Teachers as janitors? Lawyers as security guards? I've also been abroad, and I've known people like these. Read the OFW threads here and threads about migrating, and you'll know how the majority is faring.

Personally, I would rather go to college and choose what I want to learn rather than spend two years on some TESDA like courses that I may not want and need.

Unlike you, there are others who are under privileged. Unlike you, there are others like me that know that there is still learning in "TESDA like courses." Unlike you, there are others who'd want a faster route to earning their first paycheck. Because unlike you, they don't care if they want it. For them it's a necessity. They have no choice.

[pak88]

I would like to clarify that I am not privileged. My mother was an elementary school teacher who raised her children alone since my father died when I was 9. I had to work in college to subsidize my education.

How competent can public schools teach TESDA level courses when they can't even produce competent graduates some of whom, based on this thread can't even read and write properly after four years of high school and elementary? They will be stuck with the same level of mediocrity in high school if they don't move to a different level like college.

The number of Filipinos working below their educational attainment is because of the oversupply of the labor and the lack of jobs both here and abroad. Will the K-12 education suddenly make our graduates eligible for same positions overseas? No it won't because foreign nations will prioritize and protect their local population in getting jobs.

Theory is the basis of practice. Statistics will not lie. The K-12 program is a product of several extensive studies here and abroad by specialists. There is no question we need a curriculum, the question is the management and propagation herein after.



There are exceptions to the rule. One which is not applicable to everyone. Some professions can be practiced abroad without the burden of equivalency if there is reciprocity in the field. In the past there were a lot of opportunities for migrants to work abroad. But why do we hear of nurses working as caregivers? Teachers as janitors? Lawyers as security guards? I've also been abroad, and I've known people like these. Read the OFW threads here and threads about migrating, and you'll know how the majority is faring.



Unlike you, there are others who are under privileged. Unlike you, there are others like me that know that there is still learning in "TESDA like courses." Unlike you, there are others who'd want a faster route to earning their first paycheck. Because unlike you, they don't care if they want it. For them it's a necessity. They have no choice.

[NudgeDELTA]

I would like to clarify that I am not privileged. My mother was an elementary school teacher who raised her children alone since my father died when I was 9. I had to work in college to subsidize my education.

Being able to choose to go to college and choose what you want to learn is a privilege in our country. May it be privilege due to parents or privilege due to realization through one's self.

How competent can public schools teach TESDA level courses when they can't even produce competent graduates some of whom, based on this thread can't even read and write properly after four years of high school and elementary? They will be stuck with the same level of mediocrity in high school if they don't move to a different level like college.

Although I represent the private sector, I can't be biased. I know for a fact that the trend right now has been reversed. Since most private schools can't compete with the rate the public school teachers are getting, most private school teachers transfer to the public sector in just a year of experience. So you would know, there are students from private schools as well that can't read and write even after four years of high school. If that's the line of logic you follow, we can infer that you don't trust our public basic education system. As a product of Cebu City National Science High School myself, I think I've seen my share of conquests over the private school students. There are a lot of public school graduates who don't have the money to go to posh private schools, yet they are far more intelligent than the latter's product.

The number of Filipinos working below their educational attainment is because of the oversupply of the labor and the lack of jobs both here and abroad. Will the K-12 education suddenly make our graduates eligible for same positions overseas? No it won't because foreign nations will prioritize and protect their local population in getting jobs.

The lack of job locally is not because of scarcity of opportunities, but it's rather the mismatch of skills to jobs. The lack of job opportunities abroad is multifarious, and one of that is our incomplete basic education curriculum. We have a lot of nursing students who hope to land a job abroad, only to succumb to recession. When that failed, many turned to TESDA, and then some to the BPO industry. The K-12 will not only make it suddenly, but will make our graduates be competitive "instantaneously" as well. More than anything, the K-12 is joint program of the DepEd, CHED, and TESDA in unison with local companies to allow the fastest route to employ people based on their skills.

Even at present and even in most countries, prioritization of the citizens of a country is always prioritized as provided for by their respective constitution and bylaws. It is irrelevant to the argument that the K-12 curriculum is a necessity.

[pak88]

Maybe you have a jaded view of the public school system since you came from an elite school that is generously funded by the government. If you care to venture out of the generously funded Science Schools and also Arts Schools, some public schools have up to 100 students crammed in a classroom with a few books among them to share. I have respect that school since some of my classmates and buddies in college are from that school. However, it is like the government is generously funding a segment of a few over the education of the majority of the underprivileged who obviously needs more help.

The K-12 system will not solve joblessness since it is a result of macro-economic factors in the Philippines, like overpopulation. Money would be better spent in funding technological colleges that will give students more choices rather than cramming a few choices on students who may feel that they may not need them.

Being able to choose to go to college and choose what you want to learn is a privilege in our country. May it be privilege due to parents or privilege due to realization through one's self.



Although I represent the private sector, I can't be biased. I know for a fact that the trend right now has been reversed. Since most private schools can't compete with the rate the public school teachers are getting, most private school teachers transfer to the public sector in just a year of experience. So you would know, there are students from private schools as well that can't read and write even after four years of high school. If that's the line of logic you follow, we can infer that you don't trust our public basic education system. As a product of Cebu City National Science High School myself, I think I've seen my share of conquests over the private school students. There are a lot of public school graduates who don't have the money to go to posh private schools, yet they are far more intelligent than the latter's product.



The lack of job locally is not because of scarcity of opportunities, but it's rather the mismatch of skills to jobs. The lack of job opportunities abroad is multifarious, and one of that is our incomplete basic education curriculum. We have a lot of nursing students who hope to land a job abroad, only to succumb to recession. When that failed, many turned to TESDA, and then some to the BPO industry. The K-12 will not only make it suddenly, but will make our graduates be competitive "instantaneously" as well. More than anything, the K-12 is joint program of the DepEd, CHED, and TESDA in unison with local companies to allow the fastest route to employ people based on their skills.

Even at present and even in most countries, prioritization of the citizens of a country is always prioritized as provided for by their respective constitution and bylaws. It is irrelevant to the argument that the K-12 curriculum is a necessity.

[NudgeDELTA]

Maybe you have a jaded view of the public school system since you came from an elite school that is generously funded by the government.

On the contrary. I'm running my own private schools right now.

If you care to venture out of the generously funded Science Schools and also Arts Schools, some public schools have up to 100 students crammed in a classroom with a few books among them to share. I have respect that school since some of my classmates and buddies in college are from that school. However, it is like the government is generously funding a segment of a few over the education of the majority of the underprivileged who obviously needs more help.

Like the public schools, not all private schools are created equal. I'll be honest. When I was less informed and educated I had the same comment as you. After my doctorate and knowing principals from DepEd, I changed my stand.

The K-12 system will not solve joblessness since it is a result of macro-economic factors in the Philippines, like overpopulation. Money would be better spent in funding technological colleges that will give students more choices rather than cramming a few choices on students who may feel that they may not need them.

The K-12 will not solve the problem of overpopulation. China is overpopulated but their trade industry saved them. India is overpopulated, but their BPO industry saved them. Overpopulation is not a hindrance to employment, but a maligned educational system is. As the POEA has stated, there are jobs here and abroad. The problem is matching the skills of our workers to the appropriate needs of the different companies, and that's what K-12 does.

[pak88]

China may be overpopulated but if you looked into their population growth rate, their population would be hundreds of millions more making their progress difficult if not impossible. India may have a higher population growth than China but it is still well below the Philippines. If you compare our population growth with other countries, we belong to a group of less developing nations like Laos, Cambodia and Bangladesh. Without having to control this growth, it is impossible to lift millions of Filipinos from poverty. This should be prioritized by the government.

If there are jobs in the Philippines, where is it? The unemployment rate is a staggering 7.5%. With a population of 100 million, that is 7.5 million people without jobs. The Philippines can't afford it since we have a high ratio of young people and dependents. I really do not believe that this is just a problem of matching skills. A lot of people I know took short courses at TESDA among others and still could not find jobs. The POEA claim of the presence of jobs and the premise of K-12 resolving that joblessness is just a pipe dream.

On the contrary. I'm running my own private schools right now.


Like the public schools, not all private schools are created equal. I'll be honest. When I was less informed and educated I had the same comment as you. After my doctorate and knowing principals from DepEd, I changed my stand.



The K-12 will not solve the problem of overpopulation. China is overpopulated but their trade industry saved them. India is overpopulated, but their BPO industry saved them. Overpopulation is not a hindrance to employment, but a maligned educational system is. As the POEA has stated, there are jobs here and abroad. The problem is matching the skills of our workers to the appropriate needs of the different companies, and that's what K-12 does.

[NudgeDELTA]

Since you own private schools maybe you have a vested interest in having this thing go through at the expense of parents and students. They will have to pay for additional two years of schooling they may not need or want.

That is an allegation. First, you charge me impartial because I was a public school scholar. Now you slander me with accusations about having a vested interest because I own schools. Make up your mind. Coming from a public school and having been immersed in the society, I know how difficult it is to fund education. Moreover, our schools cater to the unprivileged and under privileged or the Class C citizens of the rural areas of Cebu.

China may be overpopulated but if you looked into their population growth rate, their population would be hundreds of millions more making their progress difficult if not impossible. India may have a higher population growth than China but it is still well below the Philippines. If you compare our population growth with other countries, we belong to a group of less developing nations like Laos, Cambodia and Bangladesh. Without having to control this growth, it is impossible to lift millions of Filipinos from poverty. This should be prioritized by the government.

Argument invalid. Read about the growth of China. I've said it once and I've said it again, you need to read. Your arguments are hilarious. You are raising another argument about overpopulation. Stick with K-12.

If there are jobs in the Philippines, where is it? The unemployment rate is a staggering 7.5%. With a population of 100 million, that is 7.5 million people without jobs. The Philippines can't afford it since we have a high ratio of young people and dependents. I really do not believe that this is just a problem of matching skills. A lot of people I know took short courses at TESDA among others and still could not find jobs. The POEA claim of the presence of jobs and the premise of K-12 resolving that joblessness is just a pipe dream.

Mynimo, Jobstreet, JobsDB, and WorkabroadPH among others. Your statements are misleading. There are jobs as I've discussed in my previous posts. The unemployment in this context is due to the nonalignment of skills or qualifications to job offers. What you say about your acquaintances is opinion, fictional, or unpublished until backed by statistics or reviewed by authority. On the other hand, government released statistics are factual. The POEA does not claim. Otherwise, they would have been sued for false advertising already.

[pak88]

I never mentioned impartiality because you are a public school scholar. Owning schools make you impartial because of course it will be in your best economic interest because additional years in school would mean more revenues. How can that be slanderous?

How can overpopulation be an ivnalid argument when you raised the rise of China and India first? That is not because of their K-12 education. That is because they got their population in a manageable level so that they can spend more per capita on each student and not just cram them up 100 per classroom. If you cared to look at countries with high population growth like ours, most of them are failing states with poor prospects for the future.

The jobs in the website you quoted can reach milions of vacancies? Then our citizens must be lazy because they aren't studying more to meet this demand.

I do not know what government statistics you are talking about since I don't believe whatever kool-aid they are serving up at DOLE, POEA and DECS. The studies probably are to cover up the government's lack of progress in generating jobs or offering quality education for all not just a privileged few.

That is an allegation. First, you charge me impartial because I was a public school scholar. Now you slander me with accusations about having a vested interest because I own schools. Make up your mind. Coming from a public school and having been immersed in the society, I know how difficult it is to fund education. Moreover, our schools cater to the unprivileged and under privileged or the Class C citizens of the rural areas of Cebu.






Argument invalid. Read about the growth of China. I've said it once and I've said it again, you need to read. Your arguments are hilarious. You are raising another argument about overpopulation. Stick with K-12.






Mynimo, Jobstreet, JobsDB, and WorkabroadPH among others. Your statements are misleading. There are jobs as I've discussed in my previous posts. The unemployment in this context is due to the nonalignment of skills or qualifications to job offers. What you say about your acquaintances is opinion, fictional, or unpublished until backed by statistics or reviewed by authority. On the other hand, government released statistics are factual. The POEA does not claim. Otherwise, they would have been sued for false advertising already.

[NudgeDELTA]

I never mentioned impartiality because you are a public school scholar. Owning schools make you impartial because of course it will be in your best economic interest because additional years in school would mean more revenues. How can that be slanderous?

Slanderous because it's your opinion. Opinion without knowing the truth. You based your statements made on one fact, and that I own schools. The schools I run are offering GASTPE scholarships to the less fortunate, and as I've explained, we cater to the educational needs of the Class C citizens in the rural areas. As for the source of my income, I have another profession that pays good enough to raise a family.

How can overpopulation be an ivnalid argument when you raised the rise of China and India first? That is not because of their K-12 education. That is because they got their population in a manageable level so that they can spend more per capita on each student and not just cram them up 100 per classroom. If you cared to look at countries with high population growth like ours, most of them are failing states with poor prospects for the future.

Invalid because you are raising another argument that is not directly related to the K-12 program. The lack of provisions in schools due to overpopulation is not a hindrance to fixing our educational system, nor is it impossible to tackle those two problems at the same time. The K-12 education in those countries enabled them to create a massive workforce in the TECH-VOC field which led to the rise of their economy.

The jobs in the website you quoted can reach milions of vacancies? Then our citizens must be lazy because they aren't studying more to meet this demand.

Yes.

I do not know what government statistics you are talking about since I don't believe whatever kool-aid they are serving up at DOLE, POEA and DECS. The studies probably are to cover up the government's lack of progress in generating jobs or offering quality education for all not just a privileged few.

Exactly. You don't know.