Online Signature Campaign(abolish pork barrel of any name/form)

[Nefarian]

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My goodness.. It doesn't matter if ma declare nga unconstitutional ang PDAF if the law governing it is not changed! What you're saying is the same as the idea of cutting off branches of a tree because you don't like the tree, you want to kill it, the tree will always grow back new branches and with new leaves unless you unroot the tree! You know what I mean?

And let me quote something from my reply, I hope this'll make sense to you:



Or in short PREVENTION.

Declaring PDAF "unconstitutional" is like cutting the tree itself. BUT a law (chemical that will destroy the soil) will prevent the tree from growing back. And this law will be proposed in the National Summit. If that analogy is not clear to you then I don't know what is.

[Nefarian]

Better read carefully kay dili ra FOI akong buot pasabot sa akong reply. I also have said nga i APIL ang Filipino citizens or ang mga Pinoy maoy naa final say/approval before naay taxpayer money nga ma release. Pretty self explanatory naman siguro na.

Feasible solution? Dili lang istorya? Sorry brad kay pareho ra sad ta, AFAIK, gi encourage man gani nimo ang pag apil anang rally-rally nga wala pa man gani gi buhat nga proposal, "mag himo" pa ug proposal. That doesn't make you any better than me, does it?

Well, let me give you a "feasible" example. Way back on my Market Research days, Orange County sa California had this "way," if you will, in involving it's citizens on the decision making for projects and such. Other US States are doing this as well. Simple ra kaayo. Pahibal-on nila ang taga Orange County about a certain project or mga projects nga gusto ipa tuman, then the citizens will be voting, just a yes or no, or unsa nga project ilang gusto unahon, which ever vote mo daug mao nay i follow. Simple ra diba? Now, how will that work sa Pinas? Politicians represent a region, diba? If naa silay gusto ipa tuman nga project, ila ipahibalo sa nga tao under sa ilang region, mag votation ug unsay gusto sa mga tao maoy buhaton. Complicated ra ba kaayo para nimo kana nga istilo? I hope not.

That sample is very feasible in a DEVELOPED COUNTRY.

I will give you my sample and it binds well with the current DEVELOPING state sa atong country. And it concerns PDAF or any form of lump-sum( with exceptions to the President). I am not comfortable putting my taxes in a LAWmaker's hand. They should make laws only PERIOD.

What we lack is QUALITY EDUCATION and WORLD WIDE WEB. Wala mo mag wonder kita diri sa Istorya mag sige ta ug criticize, sharing ideas, sharing solutions, helping one another? In short mga edukado ta diri ug kamao ta mo voice out unsay buhaton para sa ika'ayo nato diri sa Pinas. When we give our solution DON'T THINK for yourself the MINORITIES. Think of the bigger picture the MAJORITIES. We cannot deny the MAJORITIES are the reason ngano nagka buang2x atong country ron.

a. Sila ang mga taw nga nagpadaog sa usa ka corrupt MASKI OBVIOUS na kaayo nga kawatan.
b. Sila sad ang mga tawo nga mag sige reklamo sa atong gobyerno pero walay solution gihatag.
c. Sila sad ang mga tawo dili kamao mo distinguish unsay GOOD news ug unsay BAD news.
d. Sila sad ang majority na affected sa POVERTY.

Kibaw mo ngano ang MAJORITY dili pareha nato ug sentimento aning nahitabo ron sa Pinas? KAY TUNGOD WALA SILAY ALAM UNSAY NAHITABO JUD SA PINAS. Kaning mga tawhana ni surrender nani sila sa pagtoo na ang "PINAS ani najud hangtud sa hangtud POBRE". Pero nuon naay uban nagkahinay-hinay na ug buka ilang mga mata kay tungod ang mga "information" ron dali nalang kaayo i kalat sa masa. Pero dili pani "game changer" kay daghan pang parte sa atoang nasod nga murag 30 years ang gap. Most of them know Ramon Bong Revilla. Ang uban kabalo nga usa ni sa corrupt pero diha ra kutob mostly ilang nahibaw-an kay tungod "alien" para nila unsa ng PDAF or pork. Ug wala sila kaila sa problema samot wala sad sila kibaw unsay solution ana. "How can you create a solution if you don't know the problem in the first place?"



Mao ning mga tawhana sad nga gipang TAKE ADVANTAGE sa mga animal na politiko. Kibaw man sila nagkalisod ni sila mao ng ug tagaan gamay kwarta aw dawaton nalang jud kay unsaon taman gutom man kaayo akong tiyan.


Solution:

1. Abolish PDAF or any form of lump-sum with exception of some SPF sa President. As long as walay "take" ang lawmaker sa kwarta. Buhat ra sila balaod period.
2. If wala nay pangwartahan, mostly kining mga corrupt dili nani manglansaray. Diri makita nato asa tong mga tinood na tawo.
3. Kaning budget angay unta sa PDAF i direct ni siya sa implementing agencies ug ibuhos ni tanan didto sa EDUCATION ug DOTC sector. Education and INTERNET should go hand in hand. Maski naa ka sa pinakalasang parte sa Pinas dapat connected ka sa world. Pero TV na gani istoryahan grabe maski naa guro ka sa langob nagpuyo maka TV lang gihapon ka. Unya ang nakapait ang mga tag'iya aning mga media naay gipang protektahan na mga politiko so murag supressed gihapon ang info. Lahi rajud ang net kay walay limit unsa imong ibugwak diha. Mao ning reason ang CHINA strict kaayo sa internet kay mahadlok sila mapukaw sa kamatuuran ang mga Chinese.
4. Dili man sad jud ni magic nga ugma naa dayon changes, so what happen is gradually these MAJORITIES will see the REAL STORY sa atong PINAS. They are now well-informed.

After effects:

We will vote the right politicians. With the right politicians comes better economy . With a better economy comes better lives, decent jobs, shelter, quality healthcare and more.

And beyond:

This time this statement of yours will be very feasible:

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Well, let me give you a "feasible" example. Way back on my Market Research days, Orange County sa California had this "way," if you will, in involving it's citizens on the decision making for projects and such. Other US States are doing this as well. Simple ra kaayo. Pahibal-on nila ang taga Orange County about a certain project or mga projects nga gusto ipa tuman, then the citizens will be voting, just a yes or no, or unsa nga project ilang gusto unahon, which ever vote mo daug mao nay i follow. Simple ra diba? Now, how will that work sa Pinas? Politicians represent a region, diba? If naa silay gusto ipa tuman nga project, ila ipahibalo sa nga tao under sa ilang region, mag votation ug unsay gusto sa mga tao maoy buhaton. Complicated ra ba kaayo para nimo kana nga istilo? I hope not.
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PS: I already assume FOI BIll is approved.Ug mawala lang ng PDAF ug naa nay balaod na dili na pwede magbuhat ug ingon ana na scheme then I will see great changes in the coming years. I don't know why ang uban dili makakita sa ROOT CAUSE sa atong kalisud ron.

[hexo]

I support this campaign.

Abolish pork barrel, the root of corruption.

[simoncpu]

On the other hand, let us not forget that there are those who earn so much yet pay very little taxes while those who are earning less are paying huge amount of taxes. Doctors, Engineers and other professions pay less tax while Public Teachers and other "productive middle class" are shouldering the burden. Almost 2k a month tax for 10k salary anyone? I personally don't mind "shouldering the burden for the unproductive citizens" as long as my hard earned money REALLY goes to helping those citizens and not going to someone's bank account.

Not really. I really don't mind if doctors would be exempt from paying taxes since they're providing a very useful service to the community. Engineers can't evade taxes because most of them are fully employed*. OTOH, there's this "honorable" profession that purports to defend people from so-called "injustice". Sila nuon kay dili productive citizens unya mag cgeg exploit sa mga balaod... hahahaha....

/me wears his asbestos suit


* People who can easily evade taxes are consultants, freelancers, etc.

[Seth Law]

I support the aim of the campaign. However I feel the effort to do so is almost useless.
Money talks and these people are scratching each others' backs.

[M.A.D.]

With history as a best example, there was a time when those budget allocations were non-existent and nothing catastrophic happened to the philippines.

It just so happened Saint Cory became the first architect of this anomaly and since then all lawmakers have been addicted to it. The watered down versions or derivatives also came from the brainchild of Saint Cory.

On the other hand, let us not forget that there are those who earn so much yet pay very little taxes while those who are earning less are paying huge amount of taxes. Doctors, Engineers and other professions pay less tax while Public Teachers and other "productive middle class" are shouldering the burden. Almost 2k a month tax for 10k salary anyone? I personally don't mind "shouldering the burden for the unproductive citizens" as long as my hard earned money REALLY goes to helping those citizens and not going to someone's bank account.



While I agree on not giving legislators too much control over the budget and getting rid of the DAP, I don't agree on getting rid of the PDAF. As what I understand, the DAP was created by the GMA administration as a "work around" for getting funds diverted on a "as needed" basis without any concrete objectives/guidelines overseeing it. PDAF, on the other hand, was created for a specific purpose to fund and develop areas under a particular politicians region being represented, the problem is that, due to loopholes, they instead use the money to "help" organizations on other regions without verifying and re-verifying the validity or the existence of the organization and following up on how or if the money was really spent on the project.

Abolishing PDAF is not going to do any help if what governs it is not changed. Another "PDAF" can and will be created. What is needed is transparency and very strict guidelines and involving, WE, the people, on giving permissions to those arseholes to use taxpayers money.

[Nefarian]

Cory is gaya-gaya puto maya from the United States. Sunod2x man siya nga ang taga US ato nga time well-informed naman halos tanan pero mga pinoy sauna igno paman kaayo mao ng ilad-ilaron kaayo ug mga nawng samot na nga gikan pato nahuman ang martial law.

Maybe there is a "little president" behind Cory which is the one proposing this scheme. The cause was noble but the intention was evil.

[elvandesantos]

Katong pabor kaau sah PDAF I'll give you a simple consequence for your deliberate emotions that filled-up the roads demanding for PDAF's removal.

Cebu City Medical Center(CCMC) to be demolished, no budget yet for raising another CCMC structure according to both Local Government and the National Government.

For Cebu City (LGU), budget is already thinned out for maintenance for the hospital already how much more for the construction. As for the foundation of CCMC was to be self-reliant on the National Government regarding the operation of the hospital, separating itself from DOH which is National Government controlled.

Representative from both North and South districts of Cebu City lament that if PDAF was not been jolted out they could have immediate funds for the start-up phase of the construction without the natio-governments wait or should I say "delay to beg" tactics.

City or Municipal budgets are now stretched thin and is now funneling/requesting funds from the national government (pnoy), if PDAF was only around the representatives could have just release funds right away... not asking for the presidents nod.

But I get it, your "feelings" of the law are so strong that it needs to be abolish. jeezers, what's next? Kris Aquino for Senate or President anytime sooner.. wa pamo makuntinto sah mga sayop ninyong pag pabor pagpalingkod ni CORY?

[Nefarian]

The BAD things eclipses the GOOD things PDAF can do for the country. You cannot just say for 22 years PDAF is still in the TEST PHASE to check if its working or not. CCMC is a COLLATERAL DAMAGE which is inevitable. Yes at present you may feel the bad effects of "NO PDAF" but let's take a look at the bigger picture here and that is to lessen corruption(by not granting the lawmakers a hand in our money).

Everything else will fall in line. It's more like a storm before calm.

No point in dwelling in the past. They are OLD generation. TAKE THIS OLD PEOPLE OUT AND WHAT'S LEFT IS US "THE XYZ GEN". We are more informed than ever be because of the advent of new technology.

[elvandesantos]

okay... for now all concerned budget will be coming from one man... ALL HAIL PNOY!