Filipino Dumog vs. BJJ Grappling

[kyla_bacs]

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but i can bahiana takedown 1 guy in 1 second, single leg the other guy and then, do a suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper double leg on the other guy, go back to the first guy, knee on chest him, give 5 elbows to the eyes, jump up, soccer kick the second guy in the head, dash to the third guy, and if his balls are good targets id swing a kick.

and you cannot choke sinyalan while giving me a sidekick, thats impossible, the choke or the sidekick will be ineffective, if you kick the choke becomes loose, if you choke, the kick becomes sloppy.

correct. unless u have fist of the northstar kick that surely can disable chocomai(example) in one hit because as ur choke sinyalan(example) and u sidekick chocomai, sinyalan will then grab ur balls as u grabbed his. and now ur grabbing each others balls while chocomai comes back and eye gouges you.

In short, multiple attackers means u have 2 run and fight another day. if u want to stay and fight and bring some with u, its ur decision.

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and you cannot choke sinyalan while giving me a sidekick, thats impossible, the choke or the sidekick will be ineffective, if you kick the choke becomes loose, if you choke, the kick becomes sloppy.

Remember that CHOKE doesnt mean only holding your 2 hands in someones neck as to what we tend to understand in what we see in movies in rape case scenarios and etc . CHOKE is a form of injury causing mechanism that will block the BREATHING POWER of the individual . By just chopping or power punching the Adams apple will cause the attacker to CHOKE . Did you see the concept now ? I dont have to spend precious time to an individual . SO tell me how a kick will be sloppy , that if I dont know what I am doing . I am putting a scenario where you are aware of what you are doing . Heck ang instructor mo panic pa man gani , how much more sa estudyante lang .

correct. unless u have fist of the northstar kick that surely can disable chocomai(example) in one hit because as ur choke sinyalan(example) and u sidekick chocomai, sinyalan will then grab ur balls as u grabbed his. and now ur grabbing each others balls while chocomai comes back and eye gouges you.

In reality , when person has been choked and by the nature of how he or she was choked as to what I described by damaging the larynx or trachea , no one has the balls enough to grab someone else's balls . They are more concern of their BREATHING by holding their own neck trying to gasp some fresh air .

But as what youve said though CHOCOMAI can get at me because I spent precious time to SINYALAN , he did not use his BJJ because he used DUMOG against me by example of dirty tactics ie EYE GOUGING because chances are if he naile dme , as ive said before anyone can chokehold or arm lock me , nakamras or napa-akan na ta mo .

In short, multiple attackers means u have 2 run and fight another day. if u want to stay and fight and bring some with u, its ur decision

TRUE , thats why the DISCIPLINE you have in our rspective Martial Arts . But we are discussing here STREET SURVIVAL because MULTIPLE ATTACKERS dont happen in organized events like UFC , PRIDE or K1 . We are discussing here the odds of survival thru techniques in the real world .

[kyla_bacs]

Remember that CHOKE doesnt mean only holding your 2 hands in someones neck as to what we tend to understand in what we see in movies in rape case scenarios and etc . CHOKE is a form of injury causing mechanism that will block the BREATHING POWER of the individual . By just chopping or power punching the Adams apple will cause the attacker to CHOKE . Did you see the concept now ? I dont have to spend precious time to an individual . SO tell me how a kick will be sloppy , that if I dont know what I am doing . I am putting a scenario where you are aware of what you are doing . Heck ang instructor mo panic pa man gani , how much more sa estudyante lang .

In reality , when person has been choked and by the nature of how he or she was choked as to what I described by damaging the larynx or trachea , no one has the balls enough to grab someone else's balls . They are more concern of their BREATHING by holding their own neck trying to gasp some fresh air .

But as what youve said though CHOCOMAI can get at me because I spent precious time to SINYALAN , he did not use his BJJ because he used DUMOG against me by example of dirty tactics ie EYE GOUGING because chances are if he naile dme , as ive said before anyone can chokehold or arm lock me , nakamras or napa-akan na ta mo .

TRUE , thats why the DISCIPLINE you have in our rspective Martial Arts . But we are discussing here STREET SURVIVAL because MULTIPLE ATTACKERS dont happen in organized events like UFC , PRIDE or K1 . We are discussing here the odds of survival thru techniques in the real world .

u are saying that because chocomai in the example eye gouged you, he was using DUMOG martial arts?

cant just a ordinary guy do eye gouge or any other dirty trick and not count it as Dumog? then if this is the case, then Dumog will be literally be considered an ACT rather than a martial art.

[MasteR-[G]]

asa ta mka enroll ani? mka survive man kaha ta og paligrahan ta og mga bugoy sa pasil or sa tondo?

bitaw, w/ due respect to any martial arts, a person is said to be more effective if he has acquired different effective skills from different martial arts compared to a person who only knows one style... it has already been proven off and on the ring.

dirty fighting style? hmmm, i want to learn that someday pero i don't think i want to use that in case i get into a fight, pero in case somebody would try to kill me, then that's the time i'll probably make use of it cguro.

anyway, i'd rather avoid a fight (except during training) than spending most of my time in prison, w/ physical disability or perhaps 6 feet below the ground...sayang lang tanan sacrifices sa akong parents para mka kaon og mka human ko og skwela, sayang sad tanan nko paningkamot to where i am right now in case that would happen. dba?

i'd rather achieve something great, at work, in sports or even as a Filipino citizen than being a streetfighter... :mrgreen:

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

u are saying that because chocomai in the example eye gouged you, he was using DUMOG martial arts?

Not necessarily using MARTIAL ARTS but the COMPARISON of BJJ and DUMOG . Its not even DUMOG ncessarily also but the use of DIRTY FIGHTING that is not related to GRAPPLING at all . That is not disrespecting BJJ either but a mere comparison of the real world and what I prefer and firmly believed many others too .

cant just a ordinary guy do eye gouge or any other dirty trick and not count it as Dumog? then if this is the case, then Dumog will be literally be considered an ACT rather than a martial art.

I personally dont consider DUMOG as a MARTIAL ART but a form or technique in FIGHTING . On the otherhand , MARTIAL ARTS is not just about FIGHTING . The topic is not about DUMOG and MARTIAL ARTS but DUMOG and BJJ .

@MasteR-[G] ...

Its not about being a STREETFIGHTER but facing the real world . Survival and living your dreams . If not all of us , most of us will encounter a scenario that bu knowing how to apply it will save our butts from harms way . But then thats only the 2nd option , first option is avoid it at all cost and both parties are happy because nobody got hurt .

[kyla_bacs]

Not necessarily using MARTIAL ARTS but the COMPARISON of BJJ and DUMOG . Its not even DUMOG ncessarily also but the use of DIRTY FIGHTING that is not related to GRAPPLING at all . That is not disrespecting BJJ either but a mere comparison of the real world and what I prefer and firmly believed many others too .

I personally dont consider DUMOG as a MARTIAL ART but a form or technique in FIGHTING . On the otherhand , MARTIAL ARTS is not just about FIGHTING . The topic is not about DUMOG and MARTIAL ARTS but DUMOG and BJJ .

@MasteR-[G] ...

Its not about being a STREETFIGHTER but facing the real world . Survival and living your dreams . If not all of us , most of us will encounter a scenario that bu knowing how to apply it will save our butts from harms way . But then thats only the 2nd option , first option is avoid it at all cost and both parties are happy because nobody got hurt .

i think the topic is referring to Dumog as a specific filipino martial art.

when u said "he used dumog" , u were referring to the act itself. unless if u consider all dirty tricks as a part of Dumog ONLY. which i strongly disagree coz these dirty tricks are common knowledge. the ninja are famous in the movies for their eye attacks using sand, but u cant say "he used ninja against me" if i used it to blind my opponent. so why can u say "he used dumog against me" when chocomai eye gouged?

i really dont know about Dumog's curriculum. so i cant say how it differs from BJJ stylewise, not considering mindset and strategies.

[chocomai]

kyla_baks, ill give you a copy of dan inosanto and paul vunak dumog instructionals, para ma observe nya nimo bro. and kung mka ari cebu si u2october, hopefully mka copy ko sa tanan nko dvd nga iya gi uslan.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

i think the topic is referring to Dumog as a specific filipino martial art.

Isnt it DUMOG VS BJJ ?? It can also be BOXING VS BJJ and BOXING is not a MARTIAL ART all .

when u said "he used dumog" , u were referring to the act itself. unless if u consider all dirty tricks as a part of Dumog ONLY. which i strongly disagree coz these dirty tricks are common knowledge. the ninja are famous in the movies for their eye attacks using sand, but u cant say "he used ninja against me" if i used it to blind my opponent. so why can u say "he used dumog against me" when chocomai eye gouged?

It wasnt meant for the word DUMOG but it is a fact that its part of it . DUMOG is a very generalized word . it could mean anything not related to MARTIAL ART and you are exactly right . I dont even know WEHO tagged as NINJUTSU as a MARTIAL ART when for a fact that NINJA's are assassins and not even warriors at all . They developed a skill good enough to destroy and elimnitae the SHOGUNATE and SHOGUNS of FEUDAL JAPAN who pratices a loty of Japanese martial Arts to include Samurai swords . Doesnt that relate to something a form of technique good enough to survive and win in a fight that " DOMINATES " .

i really dont know about Dumog's curriculum. so i cant say how it differs from BJJ stylewise, not considering mindset and strategies.

Thats why I said NO DISRESPECT to the BJJ , it just so happen that it has only proven its effectivity inside the ring , mat , octagon etc . Otherwise we all probably seen how DUMOG was applied in the street with multiple attackers or just plain one on one .

DUMOG for me is an " ALL OUT GIVE YOUR BEST SHOT " and you probably can picture it out now what it is .

When I say GIVE OUT YOUR BEST SHOT , this should be a non brainer :

Dumog Terminology

Kamrus – to scratch the face, the skin
Gusnit – to pail off the skin, remove the hair
Puwakon – clawing the throat, removing the esophagus
Pungkoy – Vigorous blow to the back of the head
Hulbot – the pull the head or pull the hair
Waslik – to pull and throw
Kumus – to smash the face area
Lukit – to thrust the finger into the eye socket and take the eyes out
Kagat – to bite the skin fingers, nose and ears
Guba – to elbow the chest area and break the sternum
Itlogan – to grab and squeeze the balls (groin)
Pungol – to hold the head, break the neck remove from the body

source :http://www.texaskali.org/articles/du...rty_tricks.htm

[kyla_bacs]

maayo sad, exotic paminawon.. ang kamras gi himong kamrus. remove the head from the body? sounds like fist of the north star alryt.

i get ur idea, "all out give ur best shot". an example of what ur saying. a stray dog went to a corner and an alpha male came and "gi dumog sa alpha male ang stray dog" (gi paak ang liog, gi weesee weesee ang stray dog, gi sikaran ang itlog, etc. etc.) and the alpha male wins despite the "all out give ur best shot" effort of the stray dog.

sa ato nahibaw-an dri, c bro sinyalan raman nakasuway ani dumog. pangutanon kaha nato ug unsa ba gyud ni..

bro sinyalan, is Dumog just a generalized word?
a word for an "ALL out give ur best shot" ?

if this is the case, then we all know this "dumog" based on our instincts alone ( instincts to survive) and an added knowledge of other martial arts such as BJJ would be supplementary and give a better advantage than the one with just plain dumog. (again, if its just this "all out...")

but i still think this dumog that sinyalan is referring to is a specific Filipino martial art with a set of techniques and drills that is mastered by a few. And not just an "all out...." act. because in his previous posts, he mentioned names who are teaching these and even places where its from.

but again, my respects to bro sinyalan only he can clarify this coz he knows it first hand.

[kyla_bacs]

ive read the link to the dumog site. its definitely not the "all out give it ur best shot" thing ur talking about.
it talks about a dumoguero with specific pepper training, using poison hands blah blah blah. but again this source may just be "palami" so that the non-filipino guys wud be impressed.

bro sinyalan, i wud really appreciate an input on this. (especially on the poison part) thanks.