Christianity and violence!

[Pein]

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so dili ni sila Christian? aw kong ikaw pasultihon. Si eli siya ang tinood nga Christian? nya nganong sige man lagi ni siya pamalikas asa naman ang gi nigon ninyo nga bless them that curse you. butangeeeeeek!!!!

kaon sa ko. wa kay klaro.

aw dili jud sila Christians kay kung Christians pa sila, dili unta sila mupatay...

namalikas? namalikas man gani si St. Paul...

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

apostol nana ha nakapamalikas paman gani si bro eli pa kaha nga dili man siya apostol...

cge kaon sa unya apili pud ug tuon para masudlan pud nang imong utok...

[Gotterdammerung.2]

aw dili jud sila Christians kay kung Christians pa sila, dili unta sila mupatay...

namalikas? namalikas man gani si St. Paul...

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

apostol nana ha nakapamalikas paman gani si bro eli pa kaha nga dili man siya apostol...

cge kaon sa unya apili pud ug tuon para masudlan pud nang imong utok...

okay so it means dili sila Christian according to your standard...haha...gapatak lang ug hatag og palosot dakpan lang gihapon, naa ba kahay sulond ng utok nimo noh?

wala diay ka kahibaw? ang buot ipasabot sa Christian, "follower of Christ"...kasabot naka? kanang imong mga gipangmention nga mga Christians, claims rana nila oi ang proof nga dili sila mga Christians ang ilang mga gipangbuhat kay walay Christiano nga mupatay ug tawo...

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

higugmaon na gani ang sugo sa mga Cristiano sa kaaway patyon na hinuon...

tsk tsk tsk!

unsay gibuhat ni eli instead e bless or do good, namalikas man hinoon.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Violent inclinations in Christianity are apparent right from the beginning. Jesus is traditionally portrayed as a kind and loving teacher, such that even non-Christians often have an idealized image of him. However, not all of what he reportedly said or did fits within such a characterization - and some of what he did certainly doesn't reflect the better teachings he is supposed to have promoted. For example, he was quite explicit in his condemnation of those who would not follow his teachings, saying to his disciples: "And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town." (Matt. 10:14-15).



If Jesus and God have so little regard for nonbelievers, why should any of their followers? If Jesus can relegate nonbelievers to an eternity of torment, why should they expect higher standards from his followers here? In fact, nonbelievers did not fare any better after Christianity gained official support from the Roman Empire. Despite having been on the receiving end of persecution for many years, Christians refused to take any moral high ground and quickly proceeded to treat pagans with as much contempt and violence as they previously experienced.
Despite the fact that forgiveness is supposed to be a central aspect of Christian theology, Jesus was clear that not everyone could be forgiven: "...whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness and is guilty of an eternal sin." (Mark 3:29) If someone considers another person to have committed such an act, they would not need to take their feelings very far into account - after all, if Jesus will not forgive that person, why should anyone else? As we will see, Christians certainly did not act in a forgiving manner to the pagans whom they had in their control.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQ...l_earlyxtn.htm

[karwren]

tsk tsk tsk...

[Pein]

okay so it means dili sila Christian according to your standard...haha...gapatak lang ug hatag og palosot dakpan lang gihapon, naa ba kahay sulond ng utok nimo noh?

natural dili jud sila Christians kay wala lagi Christiano nga mupatay ug tawo...wala gihapon ka kasabot?

unsay gibuhat ni eli instead e bless or do good, namalikas man hinoon.

nakapamalikas man gani si St. Paul ug si Jesus Christ tungod sa kalagot si bro eli pa kaha...

ug gi unsa man nimo pagkahibaw nga wala buhati ug maayo ang mga kaaway ni bro eli ug wala i bless? nakakita diay ka sa whole life ni bro eli para makaingon ka ana?

tsk tsk tsk!

[jamesmusslewhite]

You can't even give a concrete proof of your God, how pathetic.

The difference is I do not need to question if there is a God or not. I feel him in my life. I know the change it has made in me. I am blessed in my faith.

You have to question because God is not in your life. You are too smart too clever to need God. You want God to make you feel special with a Grand performance. God does not need to impress you, rather it is you that has to impress him. He hardens the hearts of those who choose to be disobedient and disrespectful, rather then be obedient , and respectful. God is not in your life because you choose not to accept him. How utterly self serving, "Show me proof, Do a trick for me, Give me a sign, Make me a equal to God."

What makes you so special, me or anyone else so special, as to possible think God owes us something? We are less than insects, with moral that are less than dogs.

God owes us nothing! He only ask man to accept him and follow his laws. For that simple faith he will give you Grace, refuse and be punished. Same as any parent does a child. Most of man kind can not follow 10 simple rules. "Well I don"t Think That Is Fair!", "God is Wrong for That!", "How dare God be What he is", "God is so Unfair" or comments of the disobedient and the lost. All God owes us is death.

As I tell people those are his rules, tough, deal with it like everyone else. God believes in you, even when you disbelieve in him. We need God, God does not need us.


*scratching my head...I thank my teachers for delivering me from the foolishness of the deluded and it makes me cherish their gift of logic so much more, thank you!!!

Than your teachers are lost puppies just like you. Logic? Yes, by all means hang onto that delusion, after all it is the closet thing to a faith that you possess. It will damn you, but it is your choice. You can scratch you head, scratch your ass, or pick your nose as far as I care. You can listen to all the lost puppies you like. You can get angry at me, insult me, hate me, or even ignore me all you want. It sill does not change anything, and the truth will still be the truth. You can punish the messenger, but the message can save you from punishment. So, continue to bite the hand that feeds you. After all Satan has given you enlightenment.

Just Silly disrespectful puppies. Yapping at that which scares them from the darkness of a limited mind.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Than your teachers are lost puppies just like you. Logic? Yes, by all means hang onto that delusion, after all it is the closet thing to a faith that you possess. It will damn you, but it is your choice. You can scratch you head, scratch your ass, or pick your nose as far as I care. You can listen to all the lost puppies you like. You can get angry at me, insult me, hate me, or even ignore me all you want. It sill does not change anything, and the truth will still be the truth. You can punish the messenger, but the message can save you from punishment. So, continue to bite the hand that feeds you. After all Satan has given you enlightenment.

Just Silly disrespectful puppies. Yapping at that which scares them from the darkness of a limited mind.

I don't think they are lost. Being logical is delusional nowadays? where did you get that? haha

Maybe to someone delusional like you who thinks that God exist, they are lost puppies, but who cares?, words from people suffering a mental disease deserves no respect and cost cheap in the market of ideas. Prove your God first then maybe that way your words would matter.

Hanging on to an invisible being is really sick.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

natural dili jud sila Christians kay wala lagi Christiano nga mupatay ug tawo...wala gihapon ka kasabot?

[i]

sigorado ka nga walay kristyano nga mopatay og tao? hmmmmm...matud pa sa bibliya pein ay...kong mo hate kono ka og igsoon it is murder. ayaw ko ingna nga wala'y Christian nga mo hate.

nya wala'y sundalo nga Christian nga nakapatay og kaaway? hmmmm...

pagtoon sa pein.

nakapamalikas man gani si St. Paul ug si Jesus Christ tungod sa kalagot si bro eli pa kaha...

ug gi unsa man nimo pagkahibaw nga wala buhati ug maayo ang mga kaaway ni bro eli ug wala i bless? nakakita diay ka sa whole life ni bro eli para makaingon ka ana?

tsk tsk tsk!

ah so dili sila Christian. Dili na akong standard imo na kay matud nimo ang marka sa osa ka kristohanon kay kong bugal bugalan ang ibawos GOOD and BLESSINGS. Sipyata nimo pagkasulti ato pein karon nahigot ka sa imong kaogalingong kadena. hahaha.

ang issue pein not all the time mohatag og blessing or Good deeds si Eli naay panahon nga kusog kaayo siya mamalikas nya matod nimo kini dili marka sa osa ka kristohanon. hahaha

sige jud losot jud...dakpan man gihapon ka. taka man gud ka og yawit, nahigot ra ka sa imong kaogalingong kaboang.

[jamesmusslewhite]

Violent inclinations in Christianity are apparent right from the beginning. Jesus is traditionally portrayed as a kind and loving teacher, such that even non-Christians often have an idealized image of him. However, not all of what he reportedly said or did fits within such a characterization - and some of what he did certainly doesn't reflect the better teachings he is supposed to have promoted. For example, he was quite explicit in his condemnation of those who would not follow his teachings, saying to his disciples: "And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town." (Matt. 10:14-15).
Yes why waste good time and effort on those who will not change. Leave them to accept the punishment of their choices. Go seek those who wish to be saved. Jesus knew the punishment of his Father. If a man wishes to be a dog, than let him be a dog. If a man wishes to walk with God, than show him the path. How simple.


If Jesus and God have so little regard for nonbelievers, why should any of their followers? If Jesus can relegate nonbelievers to an eternity of torment, why should they expect higher standards from his followers here? In fact, nonbelievers did not fare any better after Christianity gained official support from the Roman Empire. Despite having been on the receiving end of persecution for many years, Christians refused to take any moral high ground and quickly proceeded to treat pagans with as much contempt and violence as they previously experienced.
Despite the fact that forgiveness is supposed to be a central aspect of Christian theology, Jesus was clear that not everyone could be forgiven: "...whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness and is guilty of an eternal sin." (Mark 3:29) If someone considers another person to have committed such an act, they would not need to take their feelings very far into account - after all, if Jesus will not forgive that person, why should anyone else? As we will see, Christians certainly did not act in a forgiving manner to the pagans whom they had in their control.
Yep God hates Pagans so much he allowed unbelievers and Pagans to murder his only son, so unbelievers and Pagans could find salvation. Pagan beat Christ to the point that it was said that he was unrecognizable as a man. Pagans spit, whipped, beat. kicked, humiliated, tortured, and murdered him. How did the son of God respond? He asked his Father to forgive them.

Jesus loves every man, but it is a man's choice to love Jesus. No man could walk the path of Jesus. He was doing his father's will. He was born to be murdered so YOU can have salvation. You reward him by committing acts that cheapen his sacrifice, you turn your back to him, insult him, insult his Father, insult his teachings, and insult his believers. Just exactly what do you think he owes you? What reward do you give such selfish acts?

He loves and blesses those that will follow, but if you choose to be a Pagan than you get what you earn. Christians have always suffered at the hands of Pagans and unbelievers. Satan hates Christians.
Christianity and Violence: Early History

This is not for me to question, for I am but a mere man the same as any other man. I will be subject to the same judgements that are imposed on every being that walkes, has walked, or will walk on this Earth. Will I have salvation from my sins? I can not say for certain, nor can any man. I may very well be damned for my sins as the unbelievers and pagans. I very well may be in that pit for eternity with Satan. My faith and belief in the promises from Christ are all I have. But unlike you, they are all I need.

[karwren]

My heart has the same prayer Jesus has.


34Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."... Luke 23:34.