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    Quote Originally Posted by handsoff241 View Post
    He is for Christianity, respectively.

    They who assert it too much on you non-christians are filled with much zeal, although it is our obligation and mission to spread to the world the message of Christianity, we were also told not to assert too much and leave people alone if they wish to.
    Not for MYSTICAL and ESOTERIC Christianity for MYSTICS and SAINTS knew that Jesus is not the only way. Have you read St. Theresa of Avila's classic, THE INTERIOR CASTLE and St. John of The Cross' THE DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL? You will know that Jesus is not the only way!

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    That is a very futile attempt of using Catholic inspired literature for your own favor. Salvation does not need to be esoteric, for if truth itself is higher than religion and is universal, then why should it only exist upon the selected few? Would it not contradict itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by handsoff241 View Post
    That is a very futile attempt of using Catholic inspired literature for your own favor. Salvation does not need to be esoteric, for if truth itself is higher than religion and is universal, then why should it only exist upon the selected few? Would it not contradict itself?
    Salvation in your dogmas? hehehe

    BTW, who said it only exist for selected few? Si Flying Fish? hahaha
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    That's a cheap trash talk. Makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handsoff241 View Post
    That's a cheap trash talk. Makes no sense.
    Trash talk invented by your mind? hehehe...makes no sense either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Not for MYSTICAL and ESOTERIC Christianity for MYSTICS and SAINTS knew that Jesus is not the only way. Have you read St. Theresa of Avila's classic, THE INTERIOR CASTLE and St. John of The Cross' THE DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL? You will know that Jesus is not the only way!
    That's a strange idea. They're saints recognized by the Catholic Church, how can they think Jesus is not the only way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephdc View Post
    I read the little story again and I really think it's a nice analogy. The lake as sin that we are all immersed in, and Buddha and Jesus as proponents of two worldviews that offer different ways out of the reality of sin. I'm not sure if it necessarily puts Buddhism in a bad light. I may be mistaken, but isn't Buddhism essentially about self-detachment? Detachment from the pain and suffering of the world? In the story, the Buddha could only offer advice to the drowning man, while Jesus actually entered the lake and rescued him. I think that's an accurate description because according to the Christian view, God became man and saved us from the penalty of sin, death, by dying on the cross on our behalf.



    What I meant was the issue of faith and works. Is it enough that we have faith in Jesus for us to be saved? In the story, being saved did not only mean having faith, it also implied learning how to swim in order to pull others out of the lake of sin. That requires action or work.

    I also think that Christianity is really a religion.
    We are saved by faith, not works: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from youselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do " (Eph. 2:8,9).

    It is the only gospel that is, " the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes . . . " (Romans 1:16).

    God does not purify us through works but, " he [God] purified their hearts by faith. . . .We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved . . . "(Acts 15:9, 11).

    The steps to confession, " If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved " (Romans 10:9, 10). (this entails knowing the True Christ however).

    Paul instructed us on the true Gospel: " By this gospel you are saved, IF you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. OTHERWISE you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance, (1) that Christ died for our SINS according to the Scriptures, (2) that he was buried, (3) that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and (4) that he appeard to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more . . . . " (1 Cor. 15:2-6).

    We were dead in our sins as unbelievers, " As for you [believers], you were DEAD in your transgressions and sins [before you became believers], in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air [Satan], the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. . . .We were by nature objects of [God's] wrath. But because of his great love for us, God who is rich in Mercy, MADE US ALIVE with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved " (Ephesians 2:1-5).

    We are saved by faith, not works (emotional experiences, saying a prayer, signing a covenant, etc.): "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast."

    A Christ led life will produce righteousness, " For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say 'No' to ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himeslf for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you " (Titus 2:11-15).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyalan View Post
    Source, try reading your bible... it's all there! hahaha
    Mao ingani ako attitude brad, because i was reading your posts instead... we all are born sinners and i am no exeption... anymore argument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephdc View Post


    What I meant was the issue of faith and works. Is it enough that we have faith in Jesus for us to be saved? In the story, being saved did not only mean having faith, it also implied learning how to swim in order to pull others out of the lake of sin. That requires action or work.

    I also think that Christianity is really a religion.
    Good point...this means Faith plus the church equals to salvation...

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    Actually after you receive Christ as your personal savior and then repent for our sin..our life is changed that is what we called born again(born of the spirit) and it resulted to good works.



    To understand more about Salvation click below...

    http://www.bible.ca/indexsalvation.htm
    Last edited by kenjoenue; 08-12-2009 at 12:05 AM.

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