Arroyo presses Air Force on attack choppers (possible Cobra attack helicopters)

[prukutung]

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most of them are not actually rebels.. they're actually terrorists...


two thumbs up para sa Cobra.. but as per pilipino politics,


new large scale purchases = big profits

big profits = lesser purchased material quality as well as maintenance

lesser purchased material quality as well as maintenance = lesser material performance

lesser material performance = prone to malfunctioning

prone to malfunctioning = a good waste of money

new large scale purchases = a good waste of money

unless if proven otherwise.... ^^

[SandStorm]

Yes, our current military power is enough for internal threats, and to maintain Peace and Order. UNLESS WILL GO TO WAR, WE NEED BILLIONS TO PURCHASE COBRAS

Cobras alone cannot defend our territory bro, it will take trillions as some here says.

Palihug ko basa sa 1st page bro, ato gi istoryaan pag purchase ra sa 4 to 6 pcs na cobra, para ni sa air force na additional attack helicopter (kibaw man cguro ka meaning sa ADDITIONAL diba >> pasabot kuwangan ta ) bro if you say na enough na for internal threats << are you qualified to say this? unless general ka run or your studying military strategy and tactics ang nakit an nimu bro puro ra news and picture, kita ka sa whole inventory sa ato military na maka sulti ka we have ENOUGH? bai, pag research sa, then post it here kung naa na result imu research, na proving we have enough military power.. compare nalang ato current military sa ato asian neighbors na mas pobre pa nato pero mas nindot ug equipments, kung naa bata ika sukol nila.. mao gani nag request ug new helicopters kay kuwang ta..

pag-uli sa ako cousin bro after his first assignment, he re-iterated that War is not the solution in Mindanao. nalooy siya sa mga kinabuhi nakalas apil na civilians, mga namakwet nawad-an panginabuhi og mga estudyante na-undang eskwela.

bro imu cousin ni sulti ato bro, 1st deployment paman diay niya, ako bro didto ko nag dako, if properly equip and defended ang civilian communities wala rebelde na mu samok2x, have you experience what our community experience? na mahadlok kay red alert, kay padung daw mga MILF, if properly equip ato military dili sila mu dare ug attack sa civilian community kay they know they will be anhilated kay no match sila.

high tech equipments cannot prevent death bro, for death is inevitable at War; It is only in Peace where casualties of war may be void.

cannot prevent war pero it can reduce the casualty.

mga officials ra dako maka-benifit sa purchases and repairs bro
diha lang ko mag-ask nimu bro kay knowledgeable man pud diay ka.

Oh come on, do you think sa imu gi suggest na mga projects di ka kwarta ang mga officials OMG!

majority of politicians and voters are dirty dinhi sa pinas bro.
Suggestion ra to ako bro woi, pwede tagaan value pwede ra pud wala. No single person can implement advocacies in Mindanao to stop the insurgency problem; not you, not me, not even Rambo

aw balhin nalang sa laing nasud bro kung wala ka mabuhat..

[leonell]

[quote=flanker;5152414]air defense? you mean air missile defense shield or anti aircraft batteries or fighter planes? against Nokor missiles? Chinese fighters?

I say we need them, now that NoKor is already being provocative and China is already pressing it's Hard Power. We can stabilize the southern territory but what if sometime we are the ones being occupied? Among all the U.S allies we are the most uncompetitive. This is not good, the officials are borrowing so much but a needle head of this goes to the AFP. We're not just fightin bandits here, these are Al-Queda linked separatist groups, if the U.S itself got a hard time hunting them................ how about us?

[Tarmac]

Yes, our current military power is enough for internal threats, and to maintain Peace and Order. UNLESS WILL GO TO WAR, WE NEED BILLIONS TO PURCHASE COBRAS

Cobras alone cannot defend our territory bro, it will take trillions as some here says.

The Cobras aren't meant to defend our territory. They are meant to fight the insurgents.

MG520 attack helicopters are lightly armed and have rather low-tech targeting systems. Cobras can fly and fight night and day.

External threats are not half as urgent as the rebels and bandits who are a clear and present danger that must be defeated today.

[wolfenstein]

maypa, i upgrade gamay. dili na effective atong weapon system ron oi. ang mga tig maneho sa atong weapon system, gi boringan na..

unya kanang mga insurgents, maypa himuon na ug ginea pigs nasad aron experimentoan..ka kapoy anang ilang style oi, cge panghilabot, cge pangankon sa mindanao, nanaghan man gud na cla, kay daghan man gud asawa..hehe

[vp-rakista]

Palihug ko basa sa 1st page bro, ato gi istoryaan pag purchase ra sa 4 to 6 pcs na cobra, para ni sa air force na additional attack helicopter (kibaw man cguro ka meaning sa ADDITIONAL diba >> pasabot kuwangan ta ) bro if you say na enough na for internal threats << are you qualified to say this? unless general ka run or your studying military strategy and tactics ang nakit an nimu bro puro ra news and picture, kita ka sa whole inventory sa ato military na maka sulti ka we have ENOUGH? bai, pag research sa, then post it here kung naa na result imu research, na proving we have enough military power.. compare nalang ato current military sa ato asian neighbors na mas pobre pa nato pero mas nindot ug equipments, kung naa bata ika sukol nila.. mao gani nag request ug new helicopters kay kuwang ta..




bro imu cousin ni sulti ato bro, 1st deployment paman diay niya, ako bro didto ko nag dako, if properly equip and defended ang civilian communities wala rebelde na mu samok2x, have you experience what our community experience? na mahadlok kay red alert, kay padung daw mga MILF, if properly equip ato military dili sila mu dare ug attack sa civilian community kay they know they will be anhilated kay no match sila.




cannot prevent war pero it can reduce the casualty.




Oh come on, do you think sa imu gi suggest na mga projects di ka kwarta ang mga officials OMG!




aw balhin nalang sa laing nasud bro kung wala ka mabuhat..

Makatawa pud ta nimu my friend Even the President cannot send someone out of the country without valid justification. Otherwise, all our senators, congressmen and public officials will all be sent out of the country

Do not lose your temper my friend; Be calm for in calmness there is Peace! Let there be Peace on earth, and not War.

Point of advise lang, when you are in a discussion do not attack the person but only the ideas presented. Personalan naka toink, and I will not respond to you anymore coz you're not getting healthier to discuss with.

[flanker]

[QUOTE=leonell;5156427]

air defense? you mean air missile defense shield or anti aircraft batteries or fighter planes? against Nokor missiles? Chinese fighters?

I say we need them, now that NoKor is already being provocative and China is already pressing it's Hard Power. We can stabilize the southern territory but what if sometime we are the ones being occupied? Among all the U.S allies we are the most uncompetitive. This is not good, the officials are borrowing so much but a needle head of this goes to the AFP. We're not just fightin bandits here, these are Al-Queda linked separatist groups, if the U.S itself got a hard time hunting them................ how about us?

pelepens has no business with nokor. Uncle sam is patrolling for us against chinese threats. What we need right now is CAS equiptments for COIN in mindanao. Air defense is very expensive and a waste of money since we dont have a threat from our neighbors violating our airspace.

[Leartes]

Bidding for attack helicopters fails anew - DND chief
By James Mananghaya Updated March 11, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The bidding for the military’s night attack helicopters failed for the second time due to the increase in aircraft cost, Defense Secretary Gilbert Teodoro said.

Following the failure of the procurement process, Teodoro said they are considering the purchase of second-hand helicopters with the same night capability to provide the Air Force with the same number of units it needs for its operations.

“If the President approves it, we could buy second-hand helicopters instead of new ones with the P3.2 billion that we have for that,” he said.

The first bidding was nullified after the investigating panel formed to oversee the procurement process uncovered irregularities.

Several defense officials are now facing graft and falsification charges before the Ombudsman over the scrapped bidding.
- bidding pa gani na ha...
Another option, Teodoro said, is to recommend the reduction of the lot requirement for the aircraft to make adjustments in the budget.

“One option is to adjust the Special Allotment Release Order (SARO), lessen the required number of units because of the budget that we have,” he said.

Teodoro said the Air Force needs the helicopters for its firepower platform that could withstand the rigors of operations as well as in transporting troops and essential equipment needed in the frontlines.

Just last week, the Air Force received 15 Cessna T41 trainer planes from South Korea.

Teodoro added they are also planning to buy more SF 260 Marchetti planes.

Teodoro earlier said the high cost of state-of-the-art military hardware and the government’s limited purchasing power have caused delays in the Armed Forces’ modernization program.

He said the P5 billion allotted for the project is not enough for the AFP to procure modern equipment such as fighter planes and attack helicopters needed for the country’s external defense.

The first years of the Capability Upgrade Program (CUP) have so far resulted in the procurement of basic weapons such as machine guns, communication equipment and land vehicles.

Teodoro said a top-of-the-line attack helicopter presently costs around $83 million, or about P3.7 billion.

He stressed the urgent need for the AFP to acquire more helicopters and cargo planes, particularly the Air Force which only has one C-130 cargo plane after the other one crashed in Davao last year.

The AFP is expecting a helicopter to be back in service in about two months after undergoing rehabilitation.

Last year, the AFP received 600 new troop carriers and more than 2,000 units of squad automatic weapons in 2007.

The military hopes to increase its capability to address internal security threats from a low of about 30 percent in year 2000 to a maximum of 70 percent by 2010.

A total of 34 priority items are included in the first phase of the AFP’s re-prioritized CUP shop list Phase 2 has 62 items, and Phase 2-B has 39 items.

These include night fighting equipment, squad automatic weapons, 6,000 units of which are expected to be delivered to the AFP within six months; bullet-proof vests to improve the protection of frontline troops; and combat life support systems to minimize casualties in the field.

The multi-billion-peso CUP, a component of the Philippine Defense Reform Program, is a comprehensive project aimed at enhancing the equipment of the ill-equipped AFP within a period of five years, starting in 2005.


unsaon man nang nindot na kahimanan nya kurakuton raman ghapon. ma dugta nalang nang mga cobra or apache or cayman or whatever. maylang nag pang show2x nila sa military parade.

sa 6 ka cobra murag,

1. 1 Presidential security (psg)
2. 1 adto sa marines
3. 1 sa marines pero tambay lang para backup (kahoyon)
4. 1 sa airforce
5. 1 backup sa airforce same with marines
6. 1 ngadto mag park sa balay ni chavit singson


maypa india... gi launch na nila ila own made NUCLEAR SUBMARINE!

[vp-rakista]

Bidding for attack helicopters fails anew - DND chief
By James Mananghaya Updated March 11, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The bidding for the military’s night attack helicopters failed for the second time due to the increase in aircraft cost, Defense Secretary Gilbert Teodoro said.

Following the failure of the procurement process, Teodoro said they are considering the purchase of second-hand helicopters with the same night capability to provide the Air Force with the same number of units it needs for its operations.

“If the President approves it, we could buy second-hand helicopters instead of new ones with the P3.2 billion that we have for that,” he said.

The first bidding was nullified after the investigating panel formed to oversee the procurement process uncovered irregularities.

Several defense officials are now facing graft and falsification charges before the Ombudsman over the scrapped bidding.
- bidding pa gani na ha...

Mao na ni ron... another waste of time and money...daghan gyud diha gusto maka-kwarta ana nga project.

[Leartes]

btaw seriously ba, i think its really a must man gyud for our government to upgrade our equipments. dli lang man pud ta mo tan-aw ug domestic threats, apil naman pud gud ang ato territory ani.
pero ang problema man gyud is with the persons there at the seat of power.