Indie Filmmaking Anyone?

[MrBiddle]

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DVX100A from Panasonic? Ambot lang...

di lagi ko kakita on display bisag mga professional DV cameras. pero adonay forumer diri nakatag-iya ana nga Panasonic camera.

pero naa tingali. i-order lang.

[onin111]

Hey guys! Good news nga naa nasad Salida show.... Can't wait to be there. What time na magstart? .. thanks...

[angryliar]

Hi everyone,

I'm from Mindanao who happened to watch Cebuano works at the Sine Ug Katilingban. Two of which are being mentioned as part of the upcoming SALIDA. The Witness and Duha-duha.

I believe that the best critic of our work is ourselves. Are the makers of these films part of this forum? If so, please evaluate your works on a scale with 10 being the best. Please use the following categories.

1. Screenplay
2. Directing
3. Cinematography
4. Sound
5. Editing

All I need are numbers, no explanations necessary. Just base it on the output not on the equipment or the circumstances involved.

I think this would be a healthy exercise. Don't you think?

[angryliar]

It is 29.97 interlaced if it is reduced then pwedi ma 24 progressive or 23.976 (IVTC Film)

Let me correct this. First, 29.73 framerate does not exist -not on Earth. With NTSC system, you can record 60 Interlaced or 30 Progressive and with PAL it's 50 Interlaced or 25 Progressive but both depends if the camera has these feature. 29.97 is not INTERLACED it is PROGRESSIVE in NTSC rounded to 30 thus 30P and it cannot be reduced to 24 Progressive. 24 Progressive is only achieved when using 24P camera and is being recorded as 60 Interlaced using a Pulldown pattern either Standard 2:3:2:3 or Advanced 2:3:3:2.

To date only the Panasonic DVX100A and Canon XL2 are capable of doing 24P at the MiniDv category.

If you need other technical explanations I can help you guys.
Best regards...

[MrBiddle]

Well, my friend I stand corrected so if 29.97 is PROGRESSIVE then I now realize the futility of converting my video to 24 Progressive on 2-3-3-2??

And what is 60i - is that an overcranked recording?

[MrBiddle]

Please enlighten me why is there both 29.97 interlaced and progressive...

In my N.L.E. from Sony, the preview is interlaced, but the project is progressive if I didn't get the two mixed up... now why is there progressive involved when there's no pull down yet?? Doesn't video look like video because of the artifact caused by the interlacing of 2 fields?

I wanna know. I ain't testing you. I'm no tech head at all in fact I have to get my wife set up email for me.

[MrBiddle]

I think this would be a healthy exercise. Don't you think?

Not all the time. You can fool yourselves. But that's why DVD commentaries are made, right so that the filmmakers can tell lies...

The makers of The Witness are in here but some of their voices are more subdued as those are the kinds of people who like to DO more than TALK. But maybe one or two of them have something to say.

I'm from Mindanao who happened to watch Cebuano works at the Sine Ug Katilingban. Two of which are being mentioned as part of the upcoming SALIDA. The Witness and Duha-duha.

Likewise. Likewise.

[angryliar]

I think this would be a healthy exercise. Don't you think?

Not all the time. You can fool yourselves. But that's why DVD commentaries are made, right so that the filmmakers can tell lies...

The makers of The Witness are in here but some of their voices are more subdued as those are the kinds of people who like to DO more than TALK. But maybe one or two of them have something to say.

I'm from Mindanao who happened to watch Cebuano works at the Sine Ug Katilingban. Two of which are being mentioned as part of the upcoming SALIDA. The Witness and Duha-duha.

Likewise. Likewise.

Obviously MrBiddle, you're the kind who doesn't believe that self assessment is healthy...

Anyway, what do you guys use to capture audio during your shoots?
Do you use on camera microphones? Or you have shotgun mics and lapels?

Based on my limited technical skills in audio production, the sound of the cebuano films in Sine Ug Katilingban needs a lot of improvement.

Does anybody in your group have experience or focus on audio (sound engineering, sound design, music)? I think the importance of audio have been neglected based on what I saw.

I have some experience with audio productions maybe I can help.

Best regards.

[angryliar]

Standard (2:3:2:3)or Advanced (2:3:3:2) Pulldown is only needed when shooting 24P cameras and recording it 60 interlaced fields in a MiniDV tape. This occurs when shooting and editing.

The Philippines uses a 60Hz electrical supply which is the basis for matching the frequency of the video signal at 60 interlaced fields. So it's the only method of recording miniDV for us so far. It is not overcranked recording, it is the technical standard.

The pulldown pattern converts the 24Progressive frames to 48 interlaced fields and adding/duplicating 1 field for every 4 interlaced fields which would total to 60 interlaced fields per second thus making it possible to record a video shot in 24 progressive to a 60Hz system (This part of the process occurs in the camera).

The term Pulldown seem to confuse a lot of users because we thought of it as taking away info. Indeed it does, but it's a term in which originated in post production. Meaning pulling down footage with 60interlaced fields (from a miniDV tape) to 48 interlaced fields and converting it back to 24Progressive during post.

On converting 29.97 progressive to 24 Progressive: this would mean losing 5 frames per second of your footage. The problem will become apparent when you do a panning shot. The clip will have jumps because of the lost info.

On 29.97 interlaced and progressive: if it says 29.97 interlaced then it means 60 interlaced fields and if it's 29.97 Progressive then it means 29.97 frames.

On interlaced preview with Sony Vegas: the preview will be interlaced because the computer monitor uses an interlaced system even when you're dealing with progressive footage.

On the video look: video looks video for many reasons. A major cause is the amount of info per second. Film has 24 frames per second while video (if progressive) has 29.97/30 frames per second a difference of 6 frames per second. That is a 20% difference and thats visible. I can see the difference between 2 chicks of the same height one weighing 100 lbs and the other 120 lbs.
(Don't mean to be macho.)

There are other reasons why video looks video, these include color info handling due to the limits of 4:1:1 sampling in the DV25 format.

Hope this helps. Please correct me if there's a wrong info that I put in this post.

Best regards.

[pnoize]

angryliar: when we made The Witness we did not have any microphones. But we have acquired shotgun mics and lapels.

A lot of indie films need a lot of improvement, if only we had the funds. oh well.

There are some of us who have limited knowledge with audio, however no one in our group has focus on the matter.

you seem to have technical knowledge with the craft, I'd like to watch a film you've made. maybe we can learn a thing or two.