MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[YellowSubmarine]

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mao to naa video? dli man summary execution ilang gi buhat kung dli sinalbahis.. kita ko sa vid ani unya louy kaau mga sundalo

unsa na date? basin kato to mga marines sa basilan if wa ko masayop

[æRLO]

mao to naa video? dli man summary execution ilang gi buhat kung dli sinalbahis.. kita ko sa vid ani unya louy kaau mga sundalo

ambot lang ug naa bay video, wala man ko kita, pero naay reports nga buhi pa ang mga sundalo after sa firefight and were captured, but their bodies were found in a nearby barangay. Nahutdan kuno ug bala ang 8(7?) ka sundalo unya. Atong 8 nga nadakpan, 1 na ang na-rescued, and 1 is still unaccounted for.

[rans23]

war is business.

[gareb]

after killing our soldiers and now the afp is on the offensive, milf wants to talk peace. nice move, lol.

MILF ready to iron out kinks in peace talks - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines

Moa nay tecnik nila brad sa unang pahanon rana ... bata pako ... traidor man jud na sila

what we always fail to understand there is factionalism among the Muslim communities of the south and the MILF is no exception. this is the same with the kind of political factionalism that is shown by the shifting allegiances of politicians and posseur-political parties inside the GRP.

do we solve the problem by engaging in an all out war with the MILF due to some actions by one of their rogue commanders? no.

• are we aware of how much a war costs? billions of pesos.
• are we aware of the humanitarian problems? hundreds of thousands of people displaced.
• are we aware of the lives that we can lose? hundreds of lives.

this is simply because if you engage an all-out war with the MILF, you are battling the wrong group of people. punish the people specifically responsible, and not whole provinces.

the big questions are:

• who will benefit if we wage an all-out war?
• who gets the big budget when wars are launched?
• and who is hell bent for the government to go to war, even threatening to launch destabilization and coups?

think people. dont let other people do the thinking for you?

[amingb]

what we always fail to understand there is factionalism among the Muslim communities of the south and the MILF is no exception. this is the same with the kind of political factionalism that is shown by the shifting allegiances of politicians and posseur-political parties inside the GRP.

do we solve the problem by engaging in an all out war with the MILF due to some actions by one of their rogue commanders? no.

• are we aware of how much a war costs? billions of pesos.
• are we aware of the humanitarian problems? hundreds of thousands of people displaced.
• are we aware of the lives that we can lose? hundreds of lives.

this is simply because if you engage an all-out war with the MILF, you are battling the wrong group of people. punish the people specifically responsible, and not whole provinces.

the big questions are:

• who will benefit if we wage an all-out war?
• who gets the big budget when wars are launched?
• and who is hell bent for the government to go to war, even threatening to launch destabilization and coups?

think people. dont let other people do the thinking for you?

THE MORO Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) said it will not sign a peace agreement with the Aquino government unless its demand for a sub-state in Mindanao is granted.

“The MILF will not sign an agreement that will not solve the problem because even if we signed an agreement that is beneficial to us, but not acceptable to our people, then the struggle will go on. We are nothing if the Bangsamoro people will not support us,” MILF leader Murad Ibrahim said. “In our continuing massive consultations, a sub-state for the Bangsamoro people as a political settlement of the Bangsamoro struggle to regain self-governance and right to self-determination is acceptable to our people as an alternative to independence,” he added.

Murad said the government proposal was not comprehensive, only a framework for the integration of the Muslims into the existing Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao which comprises the provinces of Sulu, Tawi-Tawi, Basilan, Maguindanao and Lanao.

“Integration is opposite to the aspiration of the Bangsamoro people for self-determination and self-governance. Integration coupled with massive development will not solve the problem. If the (peace) agreement is not reflective of the real aspiration of the Bangsamoro people, then it is an exercise in futility,” Ibrahim said


Im from Mindanao dili sab ko mo sugot ug ihatag ang mindanao sa ilaha ....

Unsaon mana nimo brad ... hangtod sa hangtod nalang jud ta ani ... moabot ang panahon nga dili na masulod ang nangamatay nga military diha sa libingan nag mga bayani ...

War is the Answer for the Secessionist ....

[gareb]

Im from Mindanao dili sab ko mo sugot ug ihatag ang mindanao sa ilaha ....

i am also from mindanao. but that is outside the point. and "handing over mindanao" to them is outside the point either.

the MILF on behalf of the Bangsamoro people arrived at the conclusion of demanding outright independence, and as a compromise, a sub-state, simply because the supposed autonomy that certain parts of mindanao were granted by the past administrations, have failed in various degrees to address the complaints and grievances that they've had.

is the GRP really serious about retaining those parts of mindanao? then my all means, strenthen ARMM, not by giving it to the local warlord politicians, but by empowering its constituents themselves.

a tall order? of course. you cannot escape a problem blowing out of proportion after ignoring it for too long.

War is the Answer for the Secessionist ....

believe me, it's easier to say it until you are really there. it's easy to make the mistake, but so difficult to repair the damage in the aftermath.

[æRLO]

what we always fail to understand there is factionalism among the Muslim communities of the south and the MILF is no exception. this is the same with the kind of political factionalism that is shown by the shifting allegiances of politicians and posseur-political parties inside the GRP.

do we solve the problem by engaging in an all out war with the MILF due to some actions by one of their rogue commanders? no.

• are we aware of how much a war costs? billions of pesos.
• are we aware of the humanitarian problems? hundreds of thousands of people displaced.
• are we aware of the lives that we can lose? hundreds of lives.

this is simply because if you engage an all-out war with the MILF, you are battling the wrong group of people. punish the people specifically responsible, and not whole provinces.

the big questions are:

• who will benefit if we wage an all-out war?
• who gets the big budget when wars are launched?
• and who is hell bent for the government to go to war, even threatening to launch destabilization and coups?

think people. dont let other people do the thinking for you?

^all points aside, but the MILF did acknowledge that they went into an incursion with the AFP last week. They're story is that they knew the govt. soldiers were engaged in tracking down a group of Abu Sayyaf, but they had justified to join the firefight. Remember, the AFP and the MILF were/are in a ceasefire agreement. So how are we supposed to deal and settle on peace terms if the MILF structure is fractured itself, with no clear lines of organization (evidently because it can't even mandate the ceasefire among its members.) It's always ceasefire, soldiers get killed, ceasefire, soldiers gets killed, etc. So its near-futile to go into peace talks with these rebels since they have rogue factions that cannot be kept in line but still align and identify with the MILF. The GRP cannot afford to be the MILF's fool. We have been fighting with the same secessionist movement for over 3 decades, and with the current strategies being implemented, there is little to no progress being made.

[amingb]

i am also from mindanao. but that is outside the point. and "handing over mindanao" to them is outside the point either.

the MILF on behalf of the Bangsamoro people arrived at the conclusion of demanding outright independence, and as a compromise, a sub-state, simply because the supposed autonomy that certain parts of mindanao were granted by the past administrations, have failed in various degrees to address the complaints and grievances that they've had.

is the GRP really serious about retaining those parts of mindanao? then my all means, strenthen ARMM, not by giving it to the local warlord politicians, but by empowering its constituents themselves.

a tall order? of course. you cannot escape a problem blowing out of proportion after ignoring it for too long.



believe me, it's easier to say it until you are really there. it's easy to make the mistake, but so difficult to repair the damage in the aftermath.

Ginasulti na brad nga independence ila gusto dili ARMM, accordingly bisan pa ug unsa ka progressibo ang ihatag nila pero ang ilahang aspiration kay a separate bangsamoro state for the whole mindanao ... take it or leave it ....

Dili man gani mosugot ang mga Christian Community apilon ilahang province sa expanded ARMM samot na independence ...

Anyway dako2x paman ang space sa Libingan nang mga Bayani ....

[gareb]

æRLO:

i am not sure if you are familiar with the story about Israel negotiating with the Palestine Liberation Organization which was headed by Yasser Arafat's Fatah. incidentally Palestine also has the Hamas on the side who did not want to engage in negotiations and continued to engage the Israeli forces militarily.

Israel has demanded that Fatah police its ranks and subdue Hamas as a condition of talks. Fatah said it will, but as it turned out, Hamas has too much support for Fatah to get rid of it. Israel would only acknowledge the PLO under Fatah and nobody else.

bear in mind that though Fatah and Hamas are at war with each other, they still belong under one Palestine banner. If Israel will attack Hamas, Fatah will complain about the humanitarian casualties brought by the attack.

If you were Israel, would you:

• stop all talks with PLO/Fatah and launch an all out war of extermination against Palestine may they be either Fatah or Hamas?
• engage in talks with Fatah while pursuing Hamas?

the same dilemma is faced by the GRP in Mindanao dealing with the MILF, with just minor differences. the MILF will always complain and will demand a ceasefire due to humanitarian grounds (which are most of the time real, anyway). it cannot entirely police its ranks due to logistical reasons, aside from the power struggle that always happens in these kinds of organizations.

[gareb]

Ginasulti na brad nga independence ila gusto dili ARMM, accordingly bisan pa ug unsa ka progressibo ang ihatag nila pero ang ilahang aspiration kay a separate bangsamoro state for the whole mindanao ... take it or leave it ....

Dili man gani mosugot ang mga Christian Community apilon ilahang province sa expanded ARMM samot na independence ...

of course they would be demanding for independence, because of the futility of ARMM as an administrative unit since the funds allocated to it are either too small, or allocated in ineffective projects, or simply goes to the bank accounts of your warlord politicians.

the Christians' interests are, of course beside the point.

Anyway dako2x paman ang space sa Libingan nang mga Bayani ....

yes, but i bet they will be filled out sooner with more bodies of soldiers dying from an all-out war.