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  1. #521

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?


    Quote Originally Posted by iTheo1875 View Post
    faith alone can not saved you, its so easy to say that you have faith but to prove it requires hard work. A mere profession of faith does not warrant you a place in heaven unless it is evidenced by good works.
    sakto.

    mo ingon ra ba dayun ni sila nga genuine faith produces good works. ka baliko ba ani nga rason.

    bisan kanang di genuine ilang pagtoo capable pod na sila mo buhat og good works oi, hahaha.

    kinahanglan duna jud good works to prove your faith. kana diay naay temptation enuf ra ba gud nga mo ingon ka nga ok ra ni naa bitaw koy faith. di ba kinahanglan man nga molikay ka to prove nga naa kay pagtoo? og kanang paglikay nimo di ba good works man na. hahahaha.

    kini lagi ilang faith based ra ni sa emosyon ba, trip trip lang.

  2. #522

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart View Post
    once ang tao maluwas mobuhat jud na sya ug maayong buhat.
    Kadtong mga tawo nga ni-accept og ni-acknowlege ni Jesus ingon nga manluluwas unya 100% ilang pagtoo nga nangaluwas na sila pero paglabay sa pila ka bulan nibalik ra gihapon silag buhat og dautan, naluwas gyud to sila o feeling lang nila nga naluwas sila?

    Kun feeling/pagtoo lang to nila nga naluwas sila, sa ato pa, dili diay tinuod nga pagtoo (faith) lamang ang requirement sa kaluwasan kay daghan man nagtoo nga naluwas na sila pero ang tinuod wa man diay?
    Last edited by yanong_banikanhon; 01-26-2012 at 12:30 PM.

  3. #523

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Good works with out faith cant save us.
    A good example of Good works without the Faith of Jesus is the Pharisees in
    Mark 7:1-9

    Mark 7

    Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.

    And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

    For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

    And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

    Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

    He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

    Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

    And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 01-26-2012 at 02:42 PM.

  4. #524

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    @kenshiro

    sakto ka kenshiro and I agree with that as a christian nga good works without faith can't save you.

    kung utrohon nato without good works sa ana imo statement above. are we saved by faith alone? yes or no.

  5. #525

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    either way brod, ang Ginoo ra jud magbuot kung dawaton ta or dili. Mas okay nalang ni kaysa mag atheist ta or Occultist!

  6. #526

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by ketllac View Post
    unsay own understanding ato gamiton.? siodenz daghan na kaayo simbahan nga ning sulpot base sa own understanding nga kung imo pangutan-on sila tanan sakto ug kun dili membro nila sayop. I am not saying nga mag buhat kag relihiyon. pero own understanding LANG basehanan sa bibliya sayop na daan. the fact nga admitted ka dili equipped sa hermeneutics sa bible diha palang daan imo idea dili na credible kay opinion ra man na nimo. pure opinion doenst have higher merit in forum like this.. I respect your opinion though...
    If di pa tah mag base ug own understanding sa pagsabot sa balaod sa bibliya, Nag cige pa unta tag bayad karon ug daku nga kantidad para tah maluwas kay giabuso sa ubang lider sa simbahan ang pag grant ug indulgences sa unang panahon nga isa sa mga teachings sa simbahan.

    -Kinsay nag ingun nimu Own understanding LANG? I said sa kini nga topic I presented my own view based sa akong understanding nya pakapinan ug LANG.

    -Di jud ka masayop as a member kay igo raman ka nilamoy dayun defend, kana imung rason tanan wa may imu ana igo raka nag memorize unsay gitudlo sa imung lider nimu nya pabuhagay dayun diri
    Kana gung naay mag present ug OWN IDEA para i discuss nya ipahid ug mubalising jud ug Doctrina bisag wa jud hisgoti nga maoy nay gibasehan.

    Nganu gud tawn ang 'pure opinion doenst have higher merit in forum like this' - If mao na magnilabayay nalang tag Link ani if asa nakabutang atung official Doctrina sa simbahan kay adtu nlan ta mubasa. Unsa man diay purpose natu diri sa Forum - ECHO?

  7. #527

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by yanong_banikanhon View Post
    Kadtong mga tawo nga ni-accept og ni-acknowlege ni Jesus ingon nga manluluwas unya 100% ilang pagtoo nga nangaluwas na sila pero paglabay sa pila ka bulan nibalik ra gihapon silag buhat og dautan, naluwas gyud to sila o feeling lang nila nga naluwas sila?
    ikaw daw tubag ani..

  8. #528

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by ketllac View Post
    @kenshiro

    sakto ka kenshiro and I agree with that as a christian nga good works without faith can't save you.

    kung utrohon nato without good works sa ana imo statement above. are we saved by faith alone? yes or no.
    Just want to clarify,
    What do you mean by "Without Good works?" - meaning BAD works or Dont have the capability/capacity to do any Work at all like nagtinga.

  9. #529

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by marine77 View Post
    either way brod, ang Ginoo ra jud magbuot kung dawaton ta or dili. Mas okay nalang ni kaysa mag atheist ta or Occultist!
    murag mao ni makapa tabla sa diskusyon dah

  10. #530

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by marine77 View Post
    either way brod, ang Ginoo ra jud magbuot kung dawaton ta or dili.
    Which means dili tinuod kanang doktrina nga 'we are save by faith ALONE'. Kay dili man LANG diay faith sa tawo ang factor sa kaluwasan, depende man diay na sa pagbuot sa Ginoo.

    Pero nganong daghan man laging mga 'kristyano' nga 100% sure nga naluwas na sila? Nakatugkad na diay ni sila sa kabubut-on sa DIOS?

    Para sa mga nagtuo nga dili na kinahanglan og buhat ang salvation, unsa man inyong masulti aning nakasulat sa ubos?


    Philippians 2:12
    Therefore, my dear friends, ... continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling


    OT: Welcome back, santopaps/WordofGod/WOG/marine77.
    Last edited by yanong_banikanhon; 01-26-2012 at 07:32 PM.

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