Do you believe in Reincarnation?

[Pein]

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Are you a charismatic leader or what speaking in tongues?

hahahaha! nagpalingog lingog napud ai...

gusto diay kag eninglison nako? cge...can you show us any writings from the apostles or evangelists that can support the teachings of this Origen?

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!

beh beh beh...hehehehe!

[regnauld]

hahahaha! nagpalingog lingog napud ai...

gusto diay kag eninglison nako? cge...can you show us any writings from the apostles or evangelists that can support the teachings of this Origen?

beh beh beh...hehehehe!

Very good english! Origen himself is a christian father and theologian BIBLE SCHOLAR during the first century A.D. and it is common sense that the teaching was passed from apostles to him. Even Jesus taught that , But you cannot understand it because you have a limited understanding and itis only for those people who are intelligent enough to know.

Don't speak bisaya ha when you reply because I won't entertain it!

[flying fish]

pien kanang passage sa bible: be ye perfect as your father who is in heaven is perfect, tinood na pien? unya attainable kaha ang perfection in just one lifetime, kanang perfection na parihas ni father, si god siguro na, ka level niya?

[regnauld]

A prominent theologian named christian Origen wrote around 250 AD about the pre-existence of the soul. He taught that the soul’s very source was God and that the soul was traveling back to oneness with God via the lessons learned in multiple lives. He taught that Christ came to show us what we can become. For centuries this was the mainstream view of Christianity but 300 years later it became a huge issue and the belief was made illegal because Emperor Constantine believed it was dangerous to the Empire to believe in reincarnation.
In the sixth century A.D., Emperor Justinian and Pope Vigilius disagreed on whether or not the teachings of Origen should be condemned as heresy.The Pope supported the teaching as being consistent with the teachings of Jesus the Messiah. The Emperor was determined to eradicate the belief even though the Pope and the church believed in reincarnation. The fact that the doctrine of reincarnation had been a part of Christian theology for over 500 years did not sway the Emperor.

[Pein]

pien kanang passage sa bible: be ye perfect as your father who is in heaven is perfect, tinood na pien? unya attainable kaha ang perfection in just one lifetime, kanang perfection na parihas ni father, si god siguro na, ka level niya?

o tinuod na nga passage bro. pero mangutana sa ta bro usa ta mu conclude. UNSA MAN DIAY ANG PERFECT PARA SA GINOO? KANANG DILI NA MAKASALA? OR UNSA BA?

[Pein]

@regnauld,

what I requested from you is an apostolic or evangelical writings that can support the teachings of Origen, not his historical crap. would you mind show us any?

english na jud na ha...sorry nalang if wrong grammar man gani 'cuz I only have a teaspoon of english vocabulary...hehehehehe!

[flying fish]

o tinuod na nga passage bro. pero mangutana sa ta bro usa ta mu conclude. UNSA MAN DIAY ANG PERFECT PARA SA GINOO? KANANG DILI NA MAKASALA? OR UNSA BA?

ang ako nasabtan sa perfection, i dont know ug biblicaly acptable ni, that perfection is progressive, its not something that will end, so it could be mastery at a particular level & yet the journey stil continues, kay ingun pa nila CHANGE is the only permanent thing aning kalibutana, but unsa man nakasulat diha sa bible sir pien regarding ani perfection nga gimando nga ato gyud nga pagabuhaton? perfection pero pwede makasala, or dunay perfection yhat does not commit the same mistake, posible na according sa bible?

[regnauld]

@regnauld,

what I requested from you is an apostolic or evangelical writings that can support the teachings of Origen, not his historical crap. would you mind show us any?

english na jud na ha...sorry nalang if wrong grammar man gani 'cuz I only have a teaspoon of english vocabulary...hehehehehe!

You are just being humble mr. BIBLE SCHOLAR! Are you aware BIBLE SCHOLAR that the true christians were the GNOSTICS? well, you will not understand this because you have a limited mind!


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen06.html

n December, 1945, early Christian writings containing many secrets of the early Christian religion were found in upper Egypt, a location where many Christians fled during the Roman invasion of Jerusalem. Undisturbed since their concealment almost two thousand years ago, these manuscripts of Christian mysticism rank in importance with the Dead Sea Scrolls. These writings affirmed the existence of the doctrine of reincarnation being taught among the early Jews and Christians. These Christian mystics, referred to as Christian Gnostics, were ultimately destroyed by the orthodox Church for being heretics. Their sacred writings were destroyed and hidden with the belief that they would be revealed at an appropriate time in the future. The discovery in 1945 yielded writings that included some long lost gospels, some of which were written earlier than the known gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Brian A. Bain, M.A., has this to say about the 1945 discovery:

"Long considered to be heretical, ancient Gnostic Christian texts unearthed this century display compelling similarities between Gnostic conceptions of life and death and modern near-death experiences. The Gnostic texts devoted extensive tracts to what readers could expect to encounter when they died. Other passages make numerous allusions to near-death-like experiences that can be realized in this life, most notably the human encounter with a divine light. The Gnostic Christian literature gives us one more example of NDEs and similar experiences in the ancient world."

Another interesting fact comes from Edgar Cayce (a near-death experiencer) who affirmed that Gnosticism is the highest form of Christianity.

The Christian Gnostics were regarded by some as a new Jewish sect who believed they had finally found the long-awaited Messiah and not a new religion. Some of the apostles became Gnostic and because of this, Christianity could well have grown up as a Gnostic religion had it not been for their eventual persecution by the organized Church centuries later.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

OT: what did i miss?

[Pein]

ang ako nasabtan sa perfection, i dont know ug biblicaly acptable ni, that perfection is progressive, its not something that will end, so it could be mastery at a particular level & yet the journey stil continues, kay ingun pa nila CHANGE is the only permanent thing aning kalibutana, but unsa man nakasulat diha sa bible sir pien regarding ani perfection nga gimando nga ato gyud nga pagabuhaton? perfection pero pwede makasala, or dunay perfection yhat does not commit the same mistake, posible na according sa bible?

sakto ka bro. ang perfection is progressive. dili kay diha diha dayon perfect naka. bisan perfect na ang tawo naa gihapoy possibility nga makasala kay tawo pa gud. madala gihapon sa mga weakness. pero bisan pag masipyat ang tawo, para sa mata sa Ginoo kanang tawhana perfect kung:

Jas 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in "word", the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

kung ang tawo dili ma offend sa word, para sa Ginoo perfect nang tawhana. mangutana napud ta, UNSA MANI NGA "WORD"?

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

WORD OF GOD na bro. kung ang usa ka tawo dili offend sa Word of God, madawat niya ang pulong sa Ginoo bisan unsa pa kalisod, perfect na siya para sa Ginoo.

mao rana ang akong nahibaw an...