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  1. #511

    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    objective ASSUMPTIONS?
    what's objective about god anyway...nil.
    I was thinking bro about the idea of evil. I think that we can't really seriously doubt the existence of evil. And, since evil exists, goodness must also exist, needless to say. But how are we to tell right from wrong if we don't have a moral law upon which to differentiate the two? This moral law must be something objective for it to have its authority over everyone. It must be perfect since it's a standard against which we measure the morality of our actions. Only God can have such authority and perfection.

  2. #512
    I think binuang ra man ni nga mga arguments...

    Quote Originally Posted by diehard96 View Post
    wa man ni challenge...


    available evidence does not point to any god.

    it's alright to ask questions most of the time.

    i don't see the logic of deriving a conclusion from questions.

    why not?

    nganong mi implode man?

    arguing in a circle

    if there are many ways that airplanes can be found in the bottom of oceans, why can't be any other way chariot wheels could get to the bottom of the red sea?

    the history of people dying for something inane, at times even insane, is long.

    wishful thinking. learn to separate reality from fantasy.

    argumentum ad ignorantiam

    non sequitor

    there are experiences. there are interpretations of experiences. they do not necessarily correspond.

    maslow calls them peak experiences to avoid any religious interpretation.

    erik von daniken wrote chariots of the gods, but that does not prove the existence of aliens.

    the same can be said of creation, but self-respecting nonbelievers have enough intellectual discipline to avoid making stupid conclusions from it.

    because there's no sign it ever happened. and the idea of god has nothing to do whether it ever happened or not. very lame red herring.

    some animals proliferate even without the benefit of a brain.

    reality is about "what is," not what a person wants. it's called objectivity.

    again, reality is about "what is," not what a person wants.

    it could be the teeth of the loch ness monster and still it would not have anything to do with god.

    this is nice. history tells us about the crusades, the inquisition...until the present terrorism. "making fun" pales in comparison to what the believers had done to nonbelievers.

    i don't think that makes you credible enough then.

    wa mi apil mga agnostics?

    popular culture is full of people who say stuff, and they don't even make sense.

    ang sa laing religion nag exist pud kun mao na. pero ang christianity monotheistic man, so di dapat mo acknowledge naay laing gods. either many gods exist or christianity is wrong.

    suppressing the facts.

    negating the antecedent. ever heard of modus ponens and modus tollens?

  3. #513
    Quote Originally Posted by josephdc View Post
    I was thinking bro about the idea of evil. I think that we can't really seriously doubt the existence of evil. And, since evil exists, goodness must also exist, needless to say. But how are we to tell right from wrong if we don't have a moral law upon which to differentiate the two? This moral law must be something objective for it to have its authority over everyone. It must be perfect since it's a standard against which we measure the morality of our actions. Only God can have such authority and perfection.
    Only God can have such authority and perfection.

    how do you know?
    then again....who's god? which is which?
    this is leaning towards absolutism. moral codes and fibers were not god copyrighted.

  4. #514
    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    Only God can have such authority and perfection.

    how do you know?
    then again....who's god? which is which?
    this is leaning towards absolutism. moral codes and fibers were not god copyrighted.
    owh.. yeah.. how bout my jeans..?

    Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able..? then he is not omnipotent...
    Is he able, but not willing..? then he is malevolent..
    Is he both able and willing..? then whence cometh evil..?
    Is he neither able nor willing..? then why call him god..?
    - Epicurus
    Last edited by nikxz unÖ; 03-17-2009 at 09:48 AM.

  5. #515
    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Because we cannot see God, we cant prove God by Science and Philiosphy or Mathematics.

    Faith is a Solid Proof of God Existence since Faith can move Mountains ..
    is this irony or plainly oxy***** in nature?
    faith and solid proof...are both contradictory. if it was solid proof, no need for faith, right?

    for the record, boogey man, the tooth fairy, big foot, pink pixies, the ginger bread man, and little green men on planet 27897 exists with faith.

  6. #516
    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    is this irony or plainly oxy***** in nature?
    faith and solid proof...are both contradictory. if it was solid proof, no need for faith, right?

    for the record, boogey man, the tooth fairy, big foot, pink pixies, the ginger bread man, and little green men on planet 27897 exists with faith.
    Sorry bro the Solid Proof is a wrong Statement wa man ko lain na hunahunaan gud. The Faith is the only thing we have as believers that God Exist, unlike the Athiest or the unbelievers they want Solid Proof but God is not Solid he is a Spirit.

  7. #517
    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    is this irony or plainly oxy***** in nature?
    faith and solid proof...are both contradictory. if it was solid proof, no need for faith, right?

    for the record, boogey man, the tooth fairy, big foot, pink pixies, the ginger bread man, and little green men on planet 27897 exists with faith.
    exist with faith? then what kind of FAITH?
    then let me tell you that FAITH towards GOD has manifestation or in reality.
    but those you've mention "for the record", is it reality?

    PEace!

  8. #518
    its paradox. to understand you have to believe, to believe you have to understand.

    its a vicious circle.

  9. #519
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Child View Post
    its paradox. to understand you have to believe, to believe you have to understand.

    its a vicious circle.
    that's the mystery of the bible and GOD.
    "Believe" in the bible means following.
    you can't follow what you don't understand.
    understanding and believing both exist for a GOD fearing person.

    Peace!

  10. #520
    Quote Originally Posted by nikxz unÖ View Post
    owh.. yeah.. how bout my jeans..?



    sound reasonable

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